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Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1665 on: July 04, 2017, 05:21:51 PM »

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Sounds to me like he was preparing to take the Celtics offer but the Jazz reached out and said something to change his mind at the last second - in other words, journalists had the right scoop but Hayward reneged right as they were announcing it, precipitating this whole mess.

I'm trying to be optimistic, but unfortunately I think he's staying in Utah. Jazz got him to change his mind, and now he's just trying to figure out how not to be the bad guy who publicly back out on the Celts.
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Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1666 on: July 04, 2017, 05:21:58 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.
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Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1667 on: July 04, 2017, 05:22:11 PM »

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Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1668 on: July 04, 2017, 05:23:19 PM »

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Sam Amick, one of the guys who initially reported the signing, tweeted:

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Gordon Hayward's agent, Mark Bartelstein, is indeed saying he hasn't made decision yet. Meanwhile, Celtics celebrating his alleged decision.

Zach Lowe retweeted, adding that he's receiving the same info.

It sounds very possible to me that Hayward told the Celtics he's coming before he told the Jazz and now it's out but Hayward/his people are denying it because they want to announce their way.

I mean, this has always been the more likely/logical scenario than numerous reputable reporters getting the same thing wrong all simultaneously.

EDIT: But at this point, he's doing more damage to himself with the cover-up than the original issue.
I don't understand how he's doing damage to himself by waiting to make the announcement his own way.
Every hour that passes frustrates the participating fan bases more and more. It also p---es off agents and free agents of players who are waiting out the Hayward decision and frustrates and hamstrings the front offices of the teams involved because not all their back up plans are willing to wait him out.

This is the big one, imo. The fanbases are whatever, but I think this is really frustrating the rest of the parties involved in free agency who are all waiting on his decision.
I don't get that at all. Why is Hayward not allowed to take, like, 3 hours and make the announcement the way he wants to? It's his life.

There's already been reliable reports that other free agents, agents, and teams are frustrated with this stalling by the Hayward camp.

But he's had 4 days now to make this decision. I think people don't think he really has the status of a KD/Lebron type to drag it out this long. Even KD's decision came earlier than this one by about 5 hours so far on the fourth day.
What do you mean "this long"? He met with the Jazz yesterday. I don't even think it's been a full day since that meeting ended.

It's been four days since free agency started, and he's known for weeks which teams he'd be meeting with, let alone the months or years that he's known he'd opt out.

Like I said, KD met with several more teams and even had two meetings with OKC, yet he decided more quickly than Hayward being a much bigger overall star.

I just think that Hayward's overall status in the league is playing a part in this. Yes, he's an All-Star and great player, but he's not a KD or Lebron. I doubt they'd be receiving the same amount of scrutiny as Hayward is right now for holding up free agency.
This makes no sense. The meetings were meant to help him decide which team to choose and the meetings ended less than a day ago. Even if we don't hear until tomorrow, taking 2 days to decide where you're going to live for the next 4 years of your life is totally reasonable.

Also, I don't understand how his star status has anything to do with it.

So much judgement based on nothing.
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Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1669 on: July 04, 2017, 05:24:32 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.

They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1670 on: July 04, 2017, 05:24:36 PM »

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hevwants to be on jazz lottery team next year ......so be it.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1671 on: July 04, 2017, 05:25:32 PM »

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Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for Boston
It's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.

I'm ready to move on
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Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1672 on: July 04, 2017, 05:26:00 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.

Correct. This totally sounds like someone for Hayward's camp leaking to a media source before Hayward could tell either team.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1673 on: July 04, 2017, 05:27:22 PM »

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Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for Boston
It's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.

I'm ready to move on
Well, when the alternative is that Hayward is coming to Boston (as was reported), then everything else sounds bad.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1674 on: July 04, 2017, 05:27:41 PM »

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Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for Boston
It's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.

I'm ready to move on

This would not be unprecedented and the league moved on from the D'Andre Jordan fiasco which was WAY WORSE.


Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1675 on: July 04, 2017, 05:27:56 PM »

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Having to reevaluate everything just sound bad for Boston
It's definitely not good for teams outside of Utah. It sounds like he's letting outside feelings (Ingle/Gobert/Rubio) creep into this. Look for him to announce tomorrow he's staying home.

I'm ready to move on

me too. Tired of this circus show


Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1676 on: July 04, 2017, 05:28:01 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.

They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message

Seem a very important point to me.
It is clear that the decision was made... the question is: who leaked?
Celtics FO? We have a problem. We may have lost GH
Gh's agent? HE has a problem
Celtics FO & GH's agent? They'll find a way to resolve

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1677 on: July 04, 2017, 05:29:11 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.

They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message

Seem a very important point to me.
It is clear that the decision was made... the question is: who leaked?
Celtics FO? We have a problem. We may have lost GH
Gh's agent? HE has a problem
Celtics FO & GH's agent? They'll find a way to resolve


For all we know, maybe Hayward's wife leaked it, and he's having a family argument right now.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1678 on: July 04, 2017, 05:30:41 PM »

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Fans on a Jazz forum believe a sign and trade is in the works to make the money work.
Might be true but some of those delusional fans think it involves Brown and or the Nets pick lol. If anyone in that forum is reading this please tell your folks to keep dreaming.
Actually this (not Brown or Nets pick) is the only thing that makes sense enough to get everything righ.t .  Cs were chosen. Utah made a last ditch effort to salvage something by offering an S&T... word gets out it's going Boston's way as the S&T gets some life from Boston's side.  This delays the process as the negotiation plays out.   Hope this is what's happened.

Re: 2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (UPDATE: Decision Looms AGAIN..)
« Reply #1679 on: July 04, 2017, 05:31:35 PM »

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So... 5 estimated reporters give us the news that GH choose Boston over Utah WITHOUT any confirmation from his agent?
Looks impossibile to me
5 well respected guys all getting this wrong would be completely unprecedented.

They didn't get it wrong. Agent is just p---ed it did not control the message

Seem a very important point to me.
It is clear that the decision was made... the question is: who leaked?
Celtics FO? We have a problem. We may have lost GH
Gh's agent? HE has a problem
Celtics FO & GH's agent? They'll find a way to resolve

I don't think it was his agent.