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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #45 on: January 24, 2021, 12:53:38 PM »

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Has Danny ever signed a player with a MLE that contributed meaningfully? Kanter was ok in stretches last year but he dumped him.
I think his best signing for the $ is probably posey In 2007 ... after that it’s the same old story with free agents he signs. You can argue that the max players he signed were good value for the $ we pay them.
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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #46 on: January 24, 2021, 12:58:16 PM »

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People had unrealistic expectations for Thompson.  People argued he was better than Turner, which was silly.  He’s not as good as Theis, although I don’t think that’s an insult.  Theis, as a small ball center, is pretty good.

But is Thompson playable?

For most of his career he has played as a power forward, but we don't have a stretch big to compliment him.
As a center he doesn't provide the rim protection to build a strong defense, while he clogs the lane, doesn't finish well and is not a great post-up option.

As you mentioned rightfully, Theis is a pretty good small ball center. So where do we play Thompson?
In my opinion we just have to conclude that Thompson is a misfit for our system and trade him ASAP before we get stuck with him and have to give up a first rounder to get rid of him.
Thompson has been a centre ever since the pace and space explosion - he played 85%, 73%, 97% and 99% of his minutes at C from 2017-2020 and had some pretty good results on some high level teams as an offensive rebounding specialist and lob finisher who's a physical defensive rebounder and defender next to LeBron. I would give him time - his finishing will definitely come good as he gets into shape (he looks like he's packing on a few extra pounds right now) and his defence will improve as he gets used to our defensive schemes.

What we need to do with Thompson is to alternate him with Theis at C depending on the matchup or their form and have two quality bigs take up all of our C minutes and some PF minutes if possible so that we can minimise the amount of time that non-playable guys like Semi/Robert/Grant/Javonte get on the court (they're best used as 10-12th men on a high level team imo).
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I really disagree with this statement and I hope you're wrong because if Robert Williams can't be our (future) starting center then who will it be?

The fact that Thompson did okay under the guidance of LeBron James doesn't impress me that much. Timofey Mozgov and Javale McGee have been playoff starters on NBA Finals teams with LeBron. I never rated either as a quality big.

TP, completely agree. I also think Robert is right there with Thompson and Theis. He makes more mistakes but also makes more impact plays than both of them combined.
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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #47 on: January 24, 2021, 02:24:34 PM »

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I couldn’t agree more. They are very uninteresting and no one had much of an upside. They kind of play like a WNBA team to me with all of the jump shots they take. The defense has turned to a bunch of falling all over the place trying to bait calls which led to Pritchard being injured by the way...

This team makes me sick to watch at times and I’m kinda glad because I got to focus on other things in life lol.
We had a solid run, but I won’t be moving my schedule around for this team any time soon. They need some dramatic changes after losing sooo much talent for nothing over these past few seasons.


Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #48 on: January 24, 2021, 08:55:01 PM »

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People had unrealistic expectations for Thompson.  People argued he was better than Turner, which was silly.  He’s not as good as Theis, although I don’t think that’s an insult.  Theis, as a small ball center, is pretty good.

But is Thompson playable?

For most of his career he has played as a power forward, but we don't have a stretch big to compliment him.
As a center he doesn't provide the rim protection to build a strong defense, while he clogs the lane, doesn't finish well and is not a great post-up option.

As you mentioned rightfully, Theis is a pretty good small ball center. So where do we play Thompson?
In my opinion we just have to conclude that Thompson is a misfit for our system and trade him ASAP before we get stuck with him and have to give up a first rounder to get rid of him.
Thompson has been a centre ever since the pace and space explosion - he played 85%, 73%, 97% and 99% of his minutes at C from 2017-2020 and had some pretty good results on some high level teams as an offensive rebounding specialist and lob finisher who's a physical defensive rebounder and defender next to LeBron. I would give him time - his finishing will definitely come good as he gets into shape (he looks like he's packing on a few extra pounds right now) and his defence will improve as he gets used to our defensive schemes.

What we need to do with Thompson is to alternate him with Theis at C depending on the matchup or their form and have two quality bigs take up all of our C minutes and some PF minutes if possible so that we can minimise the amount of time that non-playable guys like Semi/Robert/Grant/Javonte get on the court (they're best used as 10-12th men on a high level team imo).
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I really disagree with this statement and I hope you're wrong because if Robert Williams can't be our (future) starting center then who will it be?

The fact that Thompson did okay under the guidance of LeBron James doesn't impress me that much. Timofey Mozgov and Javale McGee have been playoff starters on NBA Finals teams with LeBron. I never rated either as a quality big.
Can doesn't mean is, I'd feed him minutes here and there but he shouldn't be playing starter level minutes for any serious title contender. Also Thompson did well under LeBron, he's nothing like McGee and an old Mozgov.
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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #49 on: January 24, 2021, 08:56:21 PM »

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People had unrealistic expectations for Thompson.  People argued he was better than Turner, which was silly.  He’s not as good as Theis, although I don’t think that’s an insult.  Theis, as a small ball center, is pretty good.

But is Thompson playable?

For most of his career he has played as a power forward, but we don't have a stretch big to compliment him.
As a center he doesn't provide the rim protection to build a strong defense, while he clogs the lane, doesn't finish well and is not a great post-up option.

As you mentioned rightfully, Theis is a pretty good small ball center. So where do we play Thompson?
In my opinion we just have to conclude that Thompson is a misfit for our system and trade him ASAP before we get stuck with him and have to give up a first rounder to get rid of him.
Thompson has been a centre ever since the pace and space explosion - he played 85%, 73%, 97% and 99% of his minutes at C from 2017-2020 and had some pretty good results on some high level teams as an offensive rebounding specialist and lob finisher who's a physical defensive rebounder and defender next to LeBron. I would give him time - his finishing will definitely come good as he gets into shape (he looks like he's packing on a few extra pounds right now) and his defence will improve as he gets used to our defensive schemes.

What we need to do with Thompson is to alternate him with Theis at C depending on the matchup or their form and have two quality bigs take up all of our C minutes and some PF minutes if possible so that we can minimise the amount of time that non-playable guys like Semi/Robert/Grant/Javonte get on the court (they're best used as 10-12th men on a high level team imo).
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I really disagree with this statement and I hope you're wrong because if Robert Williams can't be our (future) starting center then who will it be?

The fact that Thompson did okay under the guidance of LeBron James doesn't impress me that much. Timofey Mozgov and Javale McGee have been playoff starters on NBA Finals teams with LeBron. I never rated either as a quality big.
TP, completely agree. I also think Robert is right there with Thompson and Theis. He makes more mistakes but also makes more impact plays than both of them combined.
Then those impact plays come with a pretty heavy cost considering that your centre is usually the backline of the defence - he's not going to do well in expanded minutes right now, he needs time to develop.
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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #50 on: January 24, 2021, 09:13:42 PM »

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People had unrealistic expectations for Thompson.  People argued he was better than Turner, which was silly.  He’s not as good as Theis, although I don’t think that’s an insult.  Theis, as a small ball center, is pretty good.

But is Thompson playable?

For most of his career he has played as a power forward, but we don't have a stretch big to compliment him.
As a center he doesn't provide the rim protection to build a strong defense, while he clogs the lane, doesn't finish well and is not a great post-up option.

As you mentioned rightfully, Theis is a pretty good small ball center. So where do we play Thompson?
In my opinion we just have to conclude that Thompson is a misfit for our system and trade him ASAP before we get stuck with him and have to give up a first rounder to get rid of him.
Thompson has been a centre ever since the pace and space explosion - he played 85%, 73%, 97% and 99% of his minutes at C from 2017-2020 and had some pretty good results on some high level teams as an offensive rebounding specialist and lob finisher who's a physical defensive rebounder and defender next to LeBron. I would give him time - his finishing will definitely come good as he gets into shape (he looks like he's packing on a few extra pounds right now) and his defence will improve as he gets used to our defensive schemes.

What we need to do with Thompson is to alternate him with Theis at C depending on the matchup or their form and have two quality bigs take up all of our C minutes and some PF minutes if possible so that we can minimise the amount of time that non-playable guys like Semi/Robert/Grant/Javonte get on the court (they're best used as 10-12th men on a high level team imo).
'

I really disagree with this statement and I hope you're wrong because if Robert Williams can't be our (future) starting center then who will it be?

The fact that Thompson did okay under the guidance of LeBron James doesn't impress me that much. Timofey Mozgov and Javale McGee have been playoff starters on NBA Finals teams with LeBron. I never rated either as a quality big.
TP, completely agree. I also think Robert is right there with Thompson and Theis. He makes more mistakes but also makes more impact plays than both of them combined.
Then those impact plays come with a pretty heavy cost considering that your centre is usually the backline of the defence - he's not going to do well in expanded minutes right now, he needs time to develop.

I agree he needs to develop, but I think he needs minutes to do so, and if he does develop he’d easily be the best center for this team. To me, it seems like now is the time to give him minutes and develop him, especially because Thompson sucks and we know what Theis is.

Edit - spelling errors.
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C: Bob Lanier 76-77 / Brad Daugherty 92-93 / M. Camby 06-07

Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #51 on: January 24, 2021, 09:40:12 PM »

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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #52 on: January 24, 2021, 09:44:16 PM »

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People had unrealistic expectations for Thompson.  People argued he was better than Turner, which was silly.  He’s not as good as Theis, although I don’t think that’s an insult.  Theis, as a small ball center, is pretty good.

But is Thompson playable?

For most of his career he has played as a power forward, but we don't have a stretch big to compliment him.
As a center he doesn't provide the rim protection to build a strong defense, while he clogs the lane, doesn't finish well and is not a great post-up option.

As you mentioned rightfully, Theis is a pretty good small ball center. So where do we play Thompson?
In my opinion we just have to conclude that Thompson is a misfit for our system and trade him ASAP before we get stuck with him and have to give up a first rounder to get rid of him.
Thompson has been a centre ever since the pace and space explosion - he played 85%, 73%, 97% and 99% of his minutes at C from 2017-2020 and had some pretty good results on some high level teams as an offensive rebounding specialist and lob finisher who's a physical defensive rebounder and defender next to LeBron. I would give him time - his finishing will definitely come good as he gets into shape (he looks like he's packing on a few extra pounds right now) and his defence will improve as he gets used to our defensive schemes.

What we need to do with Thompson is to alternate him with Theis at C depending on the matchup or their form and have two quality bigs take up all of our C minutes and some PF minutes if possible so that we can minimise the amount of time that non-playable guys like Semi/Robert/Grant/Javonte get on the court (they're best used as 10-12th men on a high level team imo).
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I really disagree with this statement and I hope you're wrong because if Robert Williams can't be our (future) starting center then who will it be?

The fact that Thompson did okay under the guidance of LeBron James doesn't impress me that much. Timofey Mozgov and Javale McGee have been playoff starters on NBA Finals teams with LeBron. I never rated either as a quality big.
TP, completely agree. I also think Robert is right there with Thompson and Theis. He makes more mistakes but also makes more impact plays than both of them combined.
Then those impact plays come with a pretty heavy cost considering that your centre is usually the backline of the defence - he's not going to do well in expanded minutes right now, he needs time to develop.

I agree he needs to develop, but I think he needs minutes to do so, and if he does develop he’d easily be the best center for this team. To me, it seems like now is the time to give him minutes and develop him, especially because Thompson sucks and we know what Theis is.

Edit - spelling errors.
And he's getting minutes right now, just not starter level minutes because we're actually trying to win games. Also Thompson doesn't suck and Theis is a quality starting big lol.
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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2021, 05:18:53 AM »

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This time the Thompson/Theis combo was really good. Have to say that Theis was improving the last couple of games anyway after a tough start.

To me their roles were reversed against the Cavs. This time Theis was playing C and Thompson was playing PF, where Theis was the rim protector and Thompson was more on the perimeter. It worked a lot better.

Thompson did a good job on defense and it was one of his better games, although his offense leaves a lot to be desired, he's definitely better in that role than Grant Williams who just seems to have lost all his confidence.

Robert Williams was wild, out of position a lot of times and looked to be exhausted pretty quickly, despite that he was productive with 9/6/3 in 15 minutes of play. Interesting to watch Jarrett Allen and Timelord together on the court and I think Timelord had the slight edge in his performance.

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« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2021, 06:50:21 AM »

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things I don't like right now:

- Smarts hero ball. Let's hope it's just a phase... last game looked way better.

- Thompsons overall game. -> just not what we wished for. work in progress, I hope.

- Teague. The guy can play! But so far: bad decisions, bad shots, in bad shape (it seems). I'm actually sure he'll come around and personally wins some games for us.


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Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2021, 06:58:47 AM »

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It’s funny how quickly opinions change after a win. Mines personally didn’t because it was the Cavs... The Celtics seem to look like an actual NBA team when they play against a really bad one. They are still bad in my opinion. They kinda expose to me how boys the east is, I guess I see what every analyst has been saying for years, the West vs the LEast.

They rest get a ton of favorable calls, Tommy must be smiling down so hard lol. 

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« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2021, 07:36:37 AM »

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We have to wait and see.  JB, JT, and KW haven't been on the court yet together.  Now we're down PP for a couple of weeks.  RL is still on the mend.  Let's get healthy and see what they can do.  RWill looks improved, he's at 6/6 on 16MPG, hoping he gets that up over 20 by the end of the year and maybe he's a double double.
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« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2021, 09:02:29 AM »

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things I don't like right now:

- Smarts hero ball. Let's hope it's just a phase... last game looked way better.

If he continues to play like last night, he's great. Limited shooting, lots of steals. Nice passing. Great game for him.

- Thompsons overall game. -> just not what we wished for. work in progress, I hope.

Better than average rebounder, not seeing much else. A zero on the offensive end. Not a very good defender, and certainly not a rim protector.

- Teague. The guy can play! But so far: bad decisions, bad shots, in bad shape (it seems). I'm actually sure he'll come around and personally wins some games for us.

Not seeing it at all. Had a pretty good first game, than pretty terrible since. From what I've read he's been not very good for the last 2 years, and Celtics were hoping a change of scenery would help. It didn't. Last night, missing Prichard, he provided nothing of the bench. He's toast.

While I'm at it, I was never sold on Grant Williams, but he's been even worse this year. I know he's pushing but in 12 minutes of garbage time last nigh, his biggest production was 3 TO's.

I did see some improvement in Nesmith, who I like, BTW. eh works hard on D and 6 rebounds is a nice addition. I think with some PT, he could become a very nice player off the bench. Might not be this year, as Brad doesn't love to push rookies, but I feel okay about him.

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« Reply #58 on: January 25, 2021, 09:17:58 AM »

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If only Celtics drafted Mitchell Robinson instead of Robert Williams.....


Re: I have a hard time liking this team
« Reply #59 on: January 25, 2021, 09:26:24 AM »

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This time the Thompson/Theis combo was really good. Have to say that Theis was improving the last couple of games anyway after a tough start.

To me their roles were reversed against the Cavs. This time Theis was playing C and Thompson was playing PF, where Theis was the rim protector and Thompson was more on the perimeter. It worked a lot better.

Thompson did a good job on defense and it was one of his better games, although his offense leaves a lot to be desired, he's definitely better in that role than Grant Williams who just seems to have lost all his confidence.

Robert Williams was wild, out of position a lot of times and looked to be exhausted pretty quickly, despite that he was productive with 9/6/3 in 15 minutes of play. Interesting to watch Jarrett Allen and Timelord together on the court and I think Timelord had the slight edge in his performance.
Jarrett Allen was in position for most of his defensive possessions and didn't look like he had run a marathon after the game despite playing more minutes, I'm not sure how Timelord edges Allen unless it's a competition for who performed worse or chased more blocks.
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