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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CelticsElite on July 19, 2017, 03:27:43 AM
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Edit:
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/20345857/marvin-bagley-iii-reclassify-2017-play-duke
just announced on ESPN- marvin headed to duke after forgoing senior year.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/897300681043972099
(https://usathss.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/xxx-_marvin-bagley-iii_16335_89825972_964338.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Highlights: https://youtu.be/yjwDQd_6BbY
Espn: offensively resembles a more advanced Anthony davis as a prospect, less defensively advanced though. Also resembles chris bosh but with better footwork at this stage. Bagley can switch 1-5 defensively with no issues. Could use discipline but fits nba on D
Strengths and weaknesses: https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/897296698166214656
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What I find interesting is that he adds a fifth elite prospect in a draft where we have a couple of shots at one of them. That's huge for us. Between LA and Brooklyn our chances of an elite player has improved. Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba. We get on of them and I'm psyched. Imagine getting two.
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What I find interesting is that he adds a fifth elite prospect in a draft where we have a couple of shots at one of them. That's huge for us. Between LA and Brooklyn our chances of an elite player has improved. Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, and Bamba. We get on of them and I'm psyched. Imagine getting two.
(http://i.imgur.com/sXWDlzG.gif)
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
Is center even still a position in the NBA?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e7qQ6_RV4VQ
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This is huge news, if confirmed he can reclassify. As I was saying yesterday, is it worth to send:
-Jaylen Brown
-Jayson Tatum
-Crowder's or Morris' bargain contracts
-Nets 2018, which could end up being Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Bamba or Ayton
-LAL 2018/SAC 2019, which could end up being Porter, Doncic, Bamba or Ayton
Four of the above for Anthony Davis???? Even if he is 24 and the best young man in the league.
He may get seriously injured. He may leave in 2020. It is tough to answer...but ultimately I wouldn't sell all our future for one player.
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Wow.
Give me Bagley and Doncic right now !! ;D
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
Thanks a lot man, hope that we can get him and a big man like Ayton, Bamba or even that 6'10 7'4 wingspan guy who's mocked around 7. That'll be a nice frontcourt. Btw please take a look at the all time team thread.
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
Thanks a lot man, hope that we can get him and a big man like Ayton, Bamba or even that 6'10 7'4 wingspan guy who's mocked around 7. That'll be a nice frontcourt. Btw please take a look at the all time team thread.
I think I would rather Bagley + a wing or guard. I think it would help with roster balance long term. I think the modern NBA has gotten away from 2 dominant bigs, and while Bagley has the skills of a guard, he will still be a big at the next level. If we wound up with Bagley and Doncic.....my goodness. If we just ended up with Bagley, that would be ducky too.
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Okay, So who's Bagley and what is reclassify mean?
Thanks
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Okay, So who's Bagley and what is reclassify mean?
Thanks
He's a top notch prospect who will make the draft next year stronger. That's good news for a team that might be holding 2 top 5 picks. :)
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Cool, but what does reclassify mean? Thanks again
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Cool, but what does reclassify mean? Thanks again
He's old enough to get drafted next year, so if he has enough credits to graduate high school now instead of next year he can go to college this year and then be drafted next year (as opposed to going to high school for another year, then go to college and enter the 2019 draft, which is what will happen if he doesn't reclassify)
Basically he'd be changing what grade he's in to become eligible for the NCAA and NBA draft a year earlier
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
He's a PF. He would probably be most effective playing next to a bruiser like Baynes or Zizic. Most Cs in the league are still big strong dudes despite the media narrative.
And all signs point to a go. Duke it probably is..
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Man, this would be so awesome for us. But I think you'd also see pretty strong tanking teams from the get-go.
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Man, this would be so awesome for us. But I think you'd also see pretty strong tanking teams from the get-go.
They can try but hard to look at these rosters and see anyone worse than the Nets, whose best player is still Jeremy Lin. I'd say they win 15-20 games tops..
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
He's a PF. He would probably be most effective playing next to a bruiser like Baynes or Zizic. Most Cs in the league are still big strong dudes despite the media narrative.
And all signs point to a go. Duke it probably is..
I agree his natural position is PF. But due to his size, he wouldn't struggle for stretches at C. I can't imagine how good he would be in a spread it out system. If we stick a banger in there to clog up the lane, we lose a bit of that. I actually think he would complement Horford beautifully. Horford is a center at this stage who doesn't rebound. Bagley is a large PF who excels at rebounding. He is also quick enough to guard those perimeter 4s that are everywhere (one of the main reasons Horford at PF is useless is his inability to cover those 4s.)
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Man, this would be so awesome for us. But I think you'd also see pretty strong tanking teams from the get-go.
They can try but hard to look at these rosters and see anyone worse than the Nets, whose best player is still Jeremy Lin. I'd say they win 15-20 games tops..
exactly
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Wow, Bagley moves like a guard. Unbelievable how mobile and coordinated he is for someone who is 6'11.
Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjwDQd_6BbY&t=83s
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Can Bagley play center in the nba? He's got the size at 6'11 but I want to know
It seems his natural position is a rebounding wing/power forward who can create and shoot. But at 6'11 with a 7'0 wingspan he should have the frame for it. He needs to add weight if he wants to be a center full time, but at 220 pounds he has a solid base.
Long story short, the guy has been on NBA radar since he was a freshman in high school because he shows a legitimate ability to play inside and out. He has guard skills as a large pf. He is the kind of player franchise's tank their tails off for.
He's a PF. He would probably be most effective playing next to a bruiser like Baynes or Zizic. Most Cs in the league are still big strong dudes despite the media narrative.
And all signs point to a go. Duke it probably is..
I agree his natural position is PF. But due to his size, he wouldn't struggle for stretches at C. I can't imagine how good he would be in a spread it out system. If we stick a banger in there to clog up the lane, we lose a bit of that. I actually think he would complement Horford beautifully. Horford is a center at this stage who doesn't rebound. Bagley is a large PF who excels at rebounding. He is also quick enough to guard those perimeter 4s that are everywhere (one of the main reasons Horford at PF is useless is his inability to cover those 4s.)
It wouldn't be a total stretch for him to play C once he fills out into his frame. He would be a matchup nightmare at the 4 though. A guy with his size who can put it on the floor, and shoot from outside? You lose some of that with him at the 5 which is why GSW play Zaza at C and let KD and Draymond terrorize opposing forwards. My dream is to draft Bagley or Porter Jr and Doncic to create favorable matchups in terms of size and length at every position..
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
Doncic would be the primary ballhandler and playmaker in our system. Not a SF..
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Not only does Bagley reclassifying give the Celtics a shot at getting him, he also likely moves Porter, Ayton, Bamba, Doncic down a spot in the draft (assuming he goes #1), making it more likely the Celtics get one of those guys.
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
Doncic would be the primary ballhandler and playmaker in our system. Not a SF..
Someone has to defend the opposing point guard. Doncic probably won't be great at defending 3's let alone point guards.
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Cool, but what does reclassify mean? Thanks again
He's old enough to get drafted next year, so if he has enough credits to graduate high school now instead of next year he can go to college this year and then be drafted next year (as opposed to going to high school for another year, then go to college and enter the 2019 draft, which is what will happen if he doesn't reclassify)
Basically he'd be changing what grade he's in to become eligible for the NCAA and NBA draft a year earlier
Never heard of that. Thank you.
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
Doncic would be the primary ballhandler and playmaker in our system. Not a SF..
Someone has to defend the opposing point guard. Doncic probably won't be great at defending 3's let alone point guards.
do you know how tall magic johnson was? Elfrid Payton? Lonzo ball? Not all point guards are 5 ft
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
Doncic would be the primary ballhandler and playmaker in our system. Not a SF..
Someone has to defend the opposing point guard. Doncic probably won't be great at defending 3's let alone point guards.
Well, Brad does want to see how Jaylen guards point guards this year. Could we have a future of play-making wings with Jaylen as the defensive pg?
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I don't want Doncic. I am a huge fan of line-up flexibility but we do have 12,000 small forwards on our team.
Doncic would be the primary ballhandler and playmaker in our system. Not a SF..
Someone has to defend the opposing point guard. Doncic probably won't be great at defending 3's let alone point guards.
Well, Brad does want to see how Jaylen guards point guards this year. Could we have a future of play-making wings with Jaylen as the defensive pg?
That's exactly how it would work. Jaylen would guard their best guard while Doncic would get the other. You'll see a very similar role from Hayward this year..
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Wow, Bagley moves like a guard. Unbelievable how mobile and coordinated he is for someone who is 6'11.
Take a look: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjwDQd_6BbY&t=83s
he's like Bosh with SF athleticism and guard agility
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Here's a great article explaining the reclassification process: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/what-has-to-happen-for-the-ncaa-to-allow-5-star-marvin-bagley-to-play-this-season/
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Here's a great article explaining the reclassification process: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/what-has-to-happen-for-the-ncaa-to-allow-5-star-marvin-bagley-to-play-this-season/
Very informative. TP.
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Here's a great article explaining the reclassification process: https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/what-has-to-happen-for-the-ncaa-to-allow-5-star-marvin-bagley-to-play-this-season/
thanks
All signs point to him completing the summer classes and switching
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will visit Tucson (uni of Arizona) the first week of August. Currently, Bagley is visiting Duke and then will head west.
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will visit Tucson the first week of August. Currently, Bagley is visiting Duke and then will head west.
I can't imagine he would be doing all this if his intention wasn't to reclassify. Obviously huge for us. Even if we don't get Bagley it virtually assures of one of Bagley, Porter, Doncic, Ayton, or Bamba.
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
Derryck Thornton wasn't even a top 10 recruit. Top 17, 3rd or so best PG. Bagley is unanimously #1 in both drafts this year and next
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Are the Bulls keeping Wade?
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
Derryck Thornton wasn't even a top 10 recruit. Top 17, 3rd or so best PG. Bagley is unanimously #1 in both drafts this year and next
I'm not saying they're of the same quality, but Thornton was still a projected 1-and-done until his basketball career was stalled by reclassifying to come to Duke a year earlier. At the time, he was ranked about on par with many of the great PG who were drafted last month. Now, not so much.
Reclassifying doesn't work out well for everyone, and Thornton is the prime example in the last couple years of that. Bringing him up in the Bagley discussion was not the best way to be optimistic for Bagley -- rather it should remind us that there are perils to the process.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Bulls could still have Wade, Robin Lopez, Portis, Markkenen, Dunn, Holliday. Thats better than what the Nets offer...
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Are the Bulls keeping Wade?
I will be surprised if he plays more than 50 games for them. I could see him being bought out after the trade deadline at the latest.
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If the Cavs can get 3 #1s I'm 4 years... we can get 2 consecutive #1 picks. Fingers crossed.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Bulls could still have Wade, Robin Lopez, Portis, Markkenen, Dunn, Holliday. Thats better than what the Nets offer...
The Nets definitely still have a strong case for worst team in the league. I am just not impressed at all by Chicago's roster either.
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
Derryck Thornton wasn't even a top 10 recruit. Top 17, 3rd or so best PG. Bagley is unanimously #1 in both drafts this year and next
I'm not saying they're of the same quality, but Thornton was still a projected 1-and-done until his basketball career was stalled by reclassifying to come to Duke a year earlier. At the time, he was ranked about on par with many of the great PG who were drafted last month. Now, not so much.
Reclassifying doesn't work out well for everyone, and Thornton is the prime example in the last couple years of that. Bringing him up in the Bagley discussion was not the best way to be optimistic for Bagley -- rather it should remind us that there are perils to the process.
Drummond reclassified too
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Bulls could still have Wade, Robin Lopez, Portis, Markkenen, Dunn, Holliday. Thats better than what the Nets offer...
The Nets definitely still have a strong case for worst team in the league. I am just not impressed at all by Chicago's roster either.
No doubt Chicago will suck. But it takes an epic type of sucking to be as bad as the Nets will be this year. Like Major League-level tanking..
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
Derryck Thornton wasn't even a top 10 recruit. Top 17, 3rd or so best PG. Bagley is unanimously #1 in both drafts this year and next
I'm not saying they're of the same quality, but Thornton was still a projected 1-and-done until his basketball career was stalled by reclassifying to come to Duke a year earlier. At the time, he was ranked about on par with many of the great PG who were drafted last month. Now, not so much.
Reclassifying doesn't work out well for everyone, and Thornton is the prime example in the last couple years of that. Bringing him up in the Bagley discussion was not the best way to be optimistic for Bagley -- rather it should remind us that there are perils to the process.
Drummond reclassified too
Don't know what that has to do with anything.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
I think the Nets are 2nd worst at best. They traded their best player off a league-worst squad. Cant imagine an improvement there.
I think Chicago will be their main competition for worst team in the league. CHI's roster is a dumpster fire.
Bulls could still have Wade, Robin Lopez, Portis, Markkenen, Dunn, Holliday. Thats better than what the Nets offer...
The Nets definitely still have a strong case for worst team in the league. I am just not impressed at all by Chicago's roster either.
No doubt Chicago will suck. But it takes an epic type of sucking to be as bad as the Nets will be this year. Like Major League-level tanking..
Their secret weapon is Cam Payne. I think if they play him 25+ minutes a game they'd have a good shot at going 0-82. :)
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Good news for the draft. Duke helped Derryck Thornton reclassify in 2015.
That reclassification didn't work for anyone. Thornton wasn't ready for college, couldn't get on the court, and had to transfer and sit out a year. I'd hope that doesn't repeat itself with Bagley.
Thornton got his opportunity (36 games, averaged 26 minutes, started 20 games), he just wasn't as good as advertised. Then, he got recruited over. Plus he wasn't ever as highly touted. I wasn't comparing him to Bagley, just recalling that Duke has recent experience with helping kids reclassify which is beneficial. The OP's title says that Bagley is "trying" to reclassify. If he has the credits, I'd be pretty optimistic he can make it happen.
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So the Nets are definitely one of the three worst teams in the NBA?
Also: one guy who isn't mentioned as an elite prospect in next year's draft is Trevon Duval. He has Kyrie Irving handles and Derrick Rose athleticism. He can't shoot at all and based on reading scouting reports, is a bad decision maker.
You want a stud PG, there's Collin Sexton. He's Isaiah Sr. lite.
I'm loving the whatever percentage we'll have at actually getting Bagley if/when he's reclassified. F'n ay!
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Bagley is a beast. Most of these comparisons with other guys who reclassed don't really work. Many think he's the best prospect since Lebron.
I don't see a lot of risk for him.
And it's great for us, increases our odds of getting an elite prospect. If not Bagley, maybe Porter or someone else falls to us.
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This is good news for us. More talent in the draft means that our 2018 Brooklyn and Lakers pick become more valuable. Now we just need to hope for both teams to continue to suck LOL.
A top 5 of Porter Jr, Bagley, Ayton, Bomba, Doncic. Hard to be a loser if you end up with any of those 5 players.
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Update: filed paperwork
Marvin Bagley, the best prospect in high school basketball, has filed the necessary paperwork with the NCAA Clearinghouse to potentially reclassify from the 2018 to 2017 class, per multiple sources.
Filing the paperwork, doesn't guarantee that Bagley will be cleared for the 2017 class, but that he's asking the NCAA to review and evaluate his academic standing to potentially do so.
Speculation about Bagley reclassifying emerged at the Nike Peach Jam and was first reported by CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, but the 6-foot-11 power forward hasn't commented on the topic.
https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/SOURCES-No-1-Marvin-Bagley-files-NCAA-paperwork-to-potentially-r-105581362/Amp
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Update: filed paperwork
Marvin Bagley, the best prospect in high school basketball, has filed the necessary paperwork with the NCAA Clearinghouse to potentially reclassify from the 2018 to 2017 class, per multiple sources.
Filing the paperwork, doesn't guarantee that Bagley will be cleared for the 2017 class, but that he's asking the NCAA to review and evaluate his academic standing to potentially do so.
Speculation about Bagley reclassifying emerged at the Nike Peach Jam and was first reported by CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, but the 6-foot-11 power forward hasn't commented on the topic.
https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/SOURCES-No-1-Marvin-Bagley-files-NCAA-paperwork-to-potentially-r-105581362/Amp
I have no doubt that the NCAA will do a careful review of the situation. They'll review his grades, recommendations from teachers and, most importantly, what will be best for Bagley. They'll meet with him to determine if he has the emotional maturity to make the leap and come up with a thorough analysis of the impact on all parties involved.
Then they'll laugh, throw the results in the recycling (The NCAA cares about the environment.) and try to determine just how much money Bagley will make them. He's in.
Mike
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Update: filed paperwork
Marvin Bagley, the best prospect in high school basketball, has filed the necessary paperwork with the NCAA Clearinghouse to potentially reclassify from the 2018 to 2017 class, per multiple sources.
Filing the paperwork, doesn't guarantee that Bagley will be cleared for the 2017 class, but that he's asking the NCAA to review and evaluate his academic standing to potentially do so.
Speculation about Bagley reclassifying emerged at the Nike Peach Jam and was first reported by CBS Sports' Gary Parrish, but the 6-foot-11 power forward hasn't commented on the topic.
https://scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/SOURCES-No-1-Marvin-Bagley-files-NCAA-paperwork-to-potentially-r-105581362/Amp
I have no doubt that the NCAA will do a careful review of the situation. They'll review his grades, recommendations from teachers and, most importantly, what will be best for Bagley. They'll meet with him to determine if he has the emotional maturity to make the leap and come up with a thorough analysis of the impact on all parties involved.
Then they'll laugh, throw the results in the recycling (The NCAA cares about the environment.) and try to determine just how much money Bagley will make them. He's in.
Mike
Exactly. Like the NCAA is going to be like "Sorry Duke and Coach K, we really don't want the guy most consider the best player not already in the NBA playing College Basketball and garnering national ratings as he leads Duke to the Final Four. Our rules demand that he play in Spain next year."
**** Rubber stamp that puppy ASAP..
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JaVale McGee tried so hard to score on top high schooler Marvin Bagley III, and couldn't
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/8/7/16106706/javale-mcgee-marvin-bagley-iii-drew-league
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Bagley announcing college decision tomorrow
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/896864242812329985
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Bagley announcing college decision tomorrow
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/896864242812329985
Duke seems like the natural choice. or the youseeelayyyy
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My money is on him joining Duke for this upcoming college season.
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no... he is all USC.
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Duke seems the obvious pick and they could continue their top 3 pick streak.
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no... he is all USC.
I think so too.
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no... he is all USC.
Yeah I've heard he's heading to USC
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Porter bagley bamba auto... I am fine with one of them
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45 min until the announcement on espn
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Wasn't sure if I had missed it - still to come...
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Here it is
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He's going to duke. Wendell Carter is another good prospect, and Grayson allen is good. That's a good squad
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This Duke team has a heap of top guys in the upcoming draft.
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No biggie... we won the national championship last year.
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Espn: he's a cross between anthony davis and Chris bosh
More gifted offensively than Davis as a prospect and quicker feet than bosh.
Espn projects him to be #1 in 2018 draft.
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Can anyone explain to me how this reclassification works? Like, how many years did he go to high school? Did he go to a traditional high school at all?
I guess I'm worried about this kid getting an education. I probably shouldn't, since he'll likely be a millionaire soon (even Harry Giles is a millionaire now) and can always go back to school but I'm curious how this works, if anyone knows.
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Can anyone explain to me how this reclassification works? Like, how many years did he go to high school? Did he go to a traditional high school at all?
I guess I'm worried about this kid getting an education. I probably shouldn't, since he'll likely be a millionaire soon (even Harry Giles is a millionaire now) and can always go back to school but I'm curious how this works, if anyone knows.
he completed additional credits over summers I believe to make it enough to graduate early. Not 100% sure but that's how I understood it
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Bagley announcing college decision tomorrow
https://twitter.com/goodmanespn/status/896864242812329985
Duke seems like the natural choice. or the youseeelayyyy
TP for all who predicted Duke.
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/897300681043972099
Winners tonight:
1. Duke
2. College basketball
3. Bad nba teams (and Celtics)
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We gotta hope that the Nets and Lakers stink + we get some lottery luck.
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We gotta hope that the Nets and Lakers stink + we get some lottery luck.
the nets traded their best player Lopez for russell who isn't going to win them any more games. Their roster looks like a d league squad
And Lakers are filled with a bunch of unproven guys many of whom have never played in the nba. I can't see kcp and glass man lopez taking them anywhere. Something tells me we are going to be very happy next draft lottery
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Edit:
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/20345857/marvin-bagley-iii-reclassify-2017-play-duke
just announced on ESPN- marvin headed to duke after forgoing senior year.
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/897300681043972099
(https://usathss.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/xxx-_marvin-bagley-iii_16335_89825972_964338.jpg?w=1000&h=600&crop=1)
Highlights: https://youtu.be/yjwDQd_6BbY
Espn: offensively resembles a more advanced Anthony davis as a prospect, less defensively advanced though. Also resembles chris bosh but with better footwork at this stage. Bagley can switch 1-5 defensively with no issues. Could use discipline but fits nba on D
Strengths and weaknesses: https://twitter.com/mike_schmitz/status/897296698166214656
This post violates 'truth-in-posting laws lol.
You cannot edit a post that was made on July 19, 2017 to reflect an event that occurs almost a month later. Come on now. It is confusing on so many levels.
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This post violates 'truth-in-posting laws lol.
You cannot edit a post that was made on July 19, 2017 to reflect an event that occurs almost a month later. Come on now. It is confusing on so many levels.
Well, it is better than creating an entire new thread. Although, in most cases, usually just the title is updated. He also wrote, 'edit,' to reflect the changes.
CE probably should have left his original post, though, and followed it with his edit.
On a thread related note - now we really have to hope for the best from the Nets. The Lakers pick likely won't produce Bagley (unless he disappoints), but at least he adds another elite prospect into the draft. No surprise on Duke - probably the best decision for him to go learn under Coach K.
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Changing rhetoric heading to reflect a new event makes it look like a totally new thread.
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Changing rhetoric heading to reflect a new event makes it look like a totally new thread.
I have to agree. While it's not necessary to start a new thread, there are ways of parenthesizing to indicate that it is an update of an old thread.
10-yard penalty for false reporting. Repeat the thread.
Mike
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Changing rhetoric heading to reflect a new event makes it look like a totally new thread.
Penalty declined.....4th down. LOL
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People need to stop taking it for granted that Brook Lopez will do down with injury. He's played at least 72 games in 7 of last 9 seasons and the last 2 years he was shut down by the team and not due to injury. Hopefully, he's not the difference between the 2nd - 5th worse record and 7th - 10th.
I am so happy that we have a legit shot at Bagley (we would have had "0" shot if he didn't skip his senior season) that I wouldn't even care about the Lakers pick. Like I said in the past, I would, right now, give up both picks (Nets & LAL) if you can guarantee me Bagley will be wearing green next year.
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Changing rhetoric heading to reflect a new event makes it look like a totally new thread.
I have to agree. While it's not necessary to start a new thread, there are ways of parenthesizing to indicate that it is an update of an old thread.
10-yard penalty for false reporting. Repeat the thread.
Mike
true. There was so much outdated info in the original post that I didn't want to confuse anyone with old news like "Bagley is visiting USC" "Bagley still considering to reclassify" so I just erased it and the title with the most up to date status on Bagley
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Actually ESPN has him projected to go #2 to in the draft, to the Celtics (they project Chicago taking Porter at #1).
ESPN has Philly taking Jackson from Michigan State at 9 with the Lakers' pick. Sigh.
Sacramento takes the kid from A & M at 5, Robert Williams. Man, if the Lakers landed at 5, I'd love to draft that kid. He would fit in great for us, a strong rebounder and shot blocker. Really would fill a team need.
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Actually ESPN has him projected to go #2 to in the draft, to the Celtics (they project Chicago taking Porter at #1).
ESPN has Philly taking Jackson from Michigan State at 9 with the Lakers' pick. Sigh.
Sacramento takes the kid from A & M at 5, Robert Williams. Man, if the Lakers landed at 5, I'd love to draft that kid. He would fit in great for us, a strong rebounder and shot blocker. Really would fill a team need.
Yeah, that ESPN projection (I'm assuming you mean the DraftExpress one) also has our pick going to Brooklyn (which isn't happening, it's not a swap we own their pick outright) and has 6 of the top 8 picks going to Eastern teams (which isn't gonna happen)
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Bagley
Tatum
Brown
Smart (gets it going on offense)
2019 pick
Sick!
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Actually ESPN has him projected to go #2 to in the draft, to the Celtics (they project Chicago taking Porter at #1).
ESPN has Philly taking Jackson from Michigan State at 9 with the Lakers' pick. Sigh.
Sacramento takes the kid from A & M at 5, Robert Williams. Man, if the Lakers landed at 5, I'd love to draft that kid. He would fit in great for us, a strong rebounder and shot blocker. Really would fill a team need.
Yeah, that ESPN projection (I'm assuming you mean the DraftExpress one) also has our pick going to Brooklyn (which isn't happening, it's not a swap we own their pick outright) and has 6 of the top 8 picks going to Eastern teams (which isn't gonna happen)
Yep. Have to just see how the season plays out. Right now I have us picking one of Bagley/Porter and then Doncic with the Lakers pick..
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lets Tank
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The Celtics are guaranteed a lottery pick with the Lakers pick. If the Lakers don't finish 2-5, they get Sacramento's pick, as long as it isn't #1 overall. If it's #1 overall, I'm not sure what the option would be. They have to get a high pick in there somewhere.
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The Celtics are guaranteed a lottery pick with the Lakers pick. If the Lakers don't finish 2-5, they get Sacramento's pick, as long as it isn't #1 overall. If it's #1 overall, I'm not sure what the option would be. They have to get a high pick in there somewhere.
It's the Sacramento pick in 2019 as long as it's not #1. If it's #1 we're likely screwed as I don't see Philly being that bad of a team in '18-'19.
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The Celtics are guaranteed a lottery pick with the Lakers pick. If the Lakers don't finish 2-5, they get Sacramento's pick, as long as it isn't #1 overall. If it's #1 overall, I'm not sure what the option would be. They have to get a high pick in there somewhere.
It's the Sacramento pick in 2019 as long as it's not #1. If it's #1 we're likely screwed as I don't see Philly being that bad of a team in '18-'19.
Yeah, it's Sac's '19 pick. Just looked it up. If Sac gets the #1 overall, they must have some kind of contingent for that. That hasn't been spelled out. Ainge has his hands full of hi picks, and they are not cheap these days salary-wise. One reason why he traded out of #1. Saved $2M and got the player he wanted.
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The Celtics are guaranteed a lottery pick with the Lakers pick. If the Lakers don't finish 2-5, they get Sacramento's pick, as long as it isn't #1 overall. If it's #1 overall, I'm not sure what the option would be. They have to get a high pick in there somewhere.
It's the Sacramento pick in 2019 as long as it's not #1. If it's #1 we're likely screwed as I don't see Philly being that bad of a team in '18-'19.
Yeah, it's Sac's '19 pick. Just looked it up. If Sac gets the #1 overall, they must have some kind of contingent for that. That hasn't been spelled out. Ainge has his hands full of hi picks, and they are not cheap these days salary-wise. One reason why he traded out of #1. Saved $2M and got the player he wanted.
It has been spelled out. If we don't get LA's pick next year, we get the better of the SAC/PHI 2019 picks. If the better of the 2 picks is #1 overall, then we get the worse of the two picks.
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The Celtics are guaranteed a lottery pick with the Lakers pick. If the Lakers don't finish 2-5, they get Sacramento's pick, as long as it isn't #1 overall. If it's #1 overall, I'm not sure what the option would be. They have to get a high pick in there somewhere.
It's the Sacramento pick in 2019 as long as it's not #1. If it's #1 we're likely screwed as I don't see Philly being that bad of a team in '18-'19.
Yeah, it's Sac's '19 pick. Just looked it up. If Sac gets the #1 overall, they must have some kind of contingent for that. That hasn't been spelled out. Ainge has his hands full of hi picks, and they are not cheap these days salary-wise. One reason why he traded out of #1. Saved $2M and got the player he wanted.
The contingency is that the Celtics would get Philly's pick if SAC gets #1 overall. I guess people worry that Philly might be good in two seasons, but it's not that big of a deal.
The odds are very low that the Lakers pick isn't between #2-5, AND the SAC pick is #1 overall AND the Sixers are out of the lottery. It could happen, sure. But the chance is no greater than about 5%, and I'd argue it's a good deal less. We can start fretting for real after the 2019 All-Star Break if we didn't the get Lakers pick, SAC is hurtling towards the worst record, and Fultz is leading Philly to the playoffs while Tatum struggles to get off the bench.
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I would have liked a wrinkle in there like if the pick is after 5, we still have the option to take it or defer for the Kings pick.
Just say it's 6 or 7 and there's another stud or two that emerges along with Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Ayton, and Doncic, we could have nabbed him.
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I think by draft time, we won't be looking at this draft as having 5 tier 1 talents. Mo Bamba and Deandre Ayton at this moment remind me a lot of guys like Harry Giles, Myles Turner, and Skal Labissiere when they were entering college. Those types of high upside, semi-raw big men typically don't do well freshman year in college which hurts their draft stock (guys I was still higher than most on coming into their drafts).
I'm hopeful and somewhat excited about 2018, but mostly just waiting until next Spring to see how things shake out. Who knows... maybe we get the #6 pick from Brooklyn and no Lakers pick.
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I think by draft time, we won't be looking at this draft as having 5 tier 1 talents. Mo Bamba and Deandre Ayton at this moment remind me a lot of guys like Harry Giles, Myles Turner, and Skal Labissiere when they were entering college. Those types of high upside, semi-raw big men typically don't do well freshman year in college which hurts their draft stock (guys I was still higher than most on coming into their drafts).
I'm hopeful and somewhat excited about 2018, but mostly just waiting until next Spring to see how things shake out. Who knows... maybe we get the #6 pick from Brooklyn and no Lakers pick.
true. Draft express already updated their mock. Bagley #2 and mo bamba moves down to #7. Miles bridges and Robert Williams have moved above bamba in their mock
I remember diamond stone was supposed to be a top 10 pick. Like a year ago He was picked in the 2nd round after the pick was being traded for cash, and now he free agent after 1 year of sitting on a bench
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I would have liked a wrinkle in there like if the pick is after 5, we still have the option to take it or defer for the Kings pick.
Just say it's 6 or 7 and there's another stud or two that emerges along with Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Ayton, and Doncic, we could have nabbed him.
I'm pretty sure that Danny put that 2-5 protection in place. I heard him on the radio saying if the pick isn't top 5 then he has another shot to get a top pick (not #1 obviously) the following year. For some reason, he mentioned about getting another "top 5 pick", if the LAL doesn't fall into that category, but that was just after the draft & I could be misquoting him about that statement.
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I would have liked a wrinkle in there like if the pick is after 5, we still have the option to take it or defer for the Kings pick.
Just say it's 6 or 7 and there's another stud or two that emerges along with Bagley, Porter, Bamba, Ayton, and Doncic, we could have nabbed him.
I'm pretty sure that Danny put that 2-5 protection in place. I heard him on the radio saying if the pick isn't top 5 then he has another shot to get a top pick (not #1 obviously) the following year. For some reason, he mentioned about getting another "top 5 pick", if the LAL doesn't fall into that category, but that was just after the draft & I could be misquoting him about that statement.
I wish we had that clause too though. The protection decision was made before Bagley re-classified and before the Kings did pretty well in free agency and IMO, the draft.
I don't expect the Kings to escape the lottery in '19, but if the LAL pick lands at #6 or #7 and this clause would've let us pick between drafting Robert Williams / Wendell Carter or rolling the dice in '19, I'd have liked for Ainge to be in the driver's seat of making that call.
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He must really want to be a Celtic :)
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Is Steve Paliuca's son still on Duke?
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My worry about this kid is that he reminds me too much of Julius Randle. No rim protection and spotty jump shot. Anybody who has watched him closely think differently?
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My worry about this kid is that he reminds me too much of Julius Randle. No rim protection and spotty jump shot. Anybody who has watched him closely think differently?
He's a better, bouncier athlete than Randle (even though Randle is a good athlete).
One of Bagleys key strengths is defense which is one of Randles weaknesses.
Definitely see the similarities. Both 6'10 with shortish wingspans and no jumper.
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I hope we get the second pick so we can get one of Bagley or Porter. It's a win-win if you ask me. If we get a 3-5 pick then there is still no shortage of talent (Ayton, Bamba, Doncic, Sexton, Williams).
The 2019 draft doesn't look too shabby either, if we don't get the pick in 2018, just very short on very skilled players right now but they have a whole year to grow in HS and then a year in college.