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Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1455 on: May 21, 2018, 11:35:42 PM »

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We can't be down big in the first quarters and expect to win.

I hope at Game 5, we go at it and establish a lead early instead of them.

Lick our wounds, get at it at home.
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Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1456 on: May 21, 2018, 11:35:48 PM »

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as mad as we all are about the C's not getting over the hump in any of these two road games, the bigger picture is much better.  we really had no business making the east finals.  So part of me is ok with whatever happens here on out. 

But I really would like them to get game 5.  Get that one game and give yourself 2 chances to win 1 game against the cavs and move on.

If we lose two in a row after that, probably have to accept that the Cavs with Lebron are just better.  At the same time realize that KI, GH and Theis are all back next year, and we can learn from this.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1457 on: May 21, 2018, 11:37:46 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
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That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.
Let me repeat myself: Brad doesn't do adjustments! He needs three days to mull it over, because he's "cerebral". Unfortunately, an NBA game lasts 48 minutes so that's too bad for him...

I mean, that's the thing - it has clearly not been working the entire series and was amplified in game 3, yet there still was no adjustment!

It's inexcusable that we didn't make any adjustments to that for game 4 and allowed them to abuse us in mismatches due to this scheme.
Actually I think there were a lot of switches in Games 1 and 2 that worked pretty well and forced LeBron into bad shots. I don't mind the switches, just pack the paint and be ready to close out on shooters. You need effort from all 5 guys and it's going to work... except now you're perhaps getting effort from one guy. If that.

so who do you think is the only guy giving effort on D?  Because I saw a lot of guys giving effort.  We just weren't playing with our brains enough.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1458 on: May 21, 2018, 11:38:00 PM »

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as mad as we all are about the C's not getting over the hump in any of these two road games, the bigger picture is much better.  we really had no business making the east finals.  So part of me is ok with whatever happens here on out. 

But I really would like them to get game 5.  Get that one game and give yourself 2 chances to win 1 game against the cavs and move on.

If we lose two in a row after that, probably have to accept that the Cavs with Lebron are just better.  At the same time realize that KI, GH and Theis are all back next year, and we can learn from this.

The Cavs aren't better

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1459 on: May 21, 2018, 11:38:17 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
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That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.

Which part?

I'm more frustrated with the switching scheme than the staying small. I think that smaller lineup can still work against their bigger lineup if guys are hitting their shots, but that we kept up with the switching of Rozier on Bron and allowed single coverage for the vast majority of the last two games is just mind-boggling.
They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

A) LOL

B) How do those numbers look after tonight?

C) It's not even like they were forcing most of the switches; we were walking into half of them and giving them what they wanted without a fight. That's not the "spirit" or the point of switching; you still try to fight through it as much as possible and only switch when necessary.

So frustrating. That just reeks of a coach that is too invested in his own scheme/what the "analytics" tell him to see the empirical evidence right in front of him that contradicts his style.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1460 on: May 21, 2018, 11:40:16 PM »

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They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

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Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1461 on: May 21, 2018, 11:40:40 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
'

That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.
Let me repeat myself: Brad doesn't do adjustments! He needs three days to mull it over, because he's "cerebral". Unfortunately, an NBA game lasts 48 minutes so that's too bad for him...

I mean, that's the thing - it has clearly not been working the entire series and was amplified in game 3, yet there still was no adjustment!

It's inexcusable that we didn't make any adjustments to that for game 4 and allowed them to abuse us in mismatches due to this scheme.
Actually I think there were a lot of switches in Games 1 and 2 that worked pretty well and forced LeBron into bad shots. I don't mind the switches, just pack the paint and be ready to close out on shooters. You need effort from all 5 guys and it's going to work... except now you're perhaps getting effort from one guy. If that.

Yeah, switches with the swings or bigs (or Smart), which nobody is really complaining about, as they can hold their own.

The last two games they consistently tried to switch Rozier on either Lebron or the bigs, which clearly hasn't worked at all as that's just too much of a mismatch to overcome.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1462 on: May 21, 2018, 11:41:31 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
'

That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.

Which part?

I'm more frustrated with the switching scheme than the staying small. I think that smaller lineup can still work against their bigger lineup if guys are hitting their shots, but that we kept up with the switching of Rozier on Bron and allowed single coverage for the vast majority of the last two games is just mind-boggling.
They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

A) LOL

B) How do those numbers look after tonight?

C) It's not even like they were forcing most of the switches; we were walking into half of them and giving them what they wanted without a fight. That's not the "spirit" or the point of switching; you still try to fight through it as much as possible and only switch when necessary.

So frustrating. That just reeks of a coach that is too invested in his own scheme/what the "analytics" tell him to see the empirical evidence right in front of him that contradicts his style.
I'd also say they should trap more. It's like a forgotten tactic for the C's going back to Doc. The biggest danger of setting a pick is the trap and we just never do it. A defense needs to mix it up or it will break.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1463 on: May 21, 2018, 11:42:57 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
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That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.

Which part?

I'm more frustrated with the switching scheme than the staying small. I think that smaller lineup can still work against their bigger lineup if guys are hitting their shots, but that we kept up with the switching of Rozier on Bron and allowed single coverage for the vast majority of the last two games is just mind-boggling.
They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

A) LOL

B) How do those numbers look after tonight?

C) It's not even like they were forcing most of the switches; we were walking into half of them and giving them what they wanted without a fight. That's not the "spirit" or the point of switching; you still try to fight through it as much as possible and only switch when necessary.

So frustrating. That just reeks of a coach that is too invested in his own scheme/what the "analytics" tell him to see the empirical evidence right in front of him that contradicts his style.

Bingo :-\.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1464 on: May 21, 2018, 11:42:57 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
'

That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.
Let me repeat myself: Brad doesn't do adjustments! He needs three days to mull it over, because he's "cerebral". Unfortunately, an NBA game lasts 48 minutes so that's too bad for him...

I mean, that's the thing - it has clearly not been working the entire series and was amplified in game 3, yet there still was no adjustment!

It's inexcusable that we didn't make any adjustments to that for game 4 and allowed them to abuse us in mismatches due to this scheme.
Actually I think there were a lot of switches in Games 1 and 2 that worked pretty well and forced LeBron into bad shots. I don't mind the switches, just pack the paint and be ready to close out on shooters. You need effort from all 5 guys and it's going to work... except now you're perhaps getting effort from one guy. If that.

so who do you think is the only guy giving effort on D?  Because I saw a lot of guys giving effort.  We just weren't playing with our brains enough.
I meant one guy at a time. Typically just the guy on the ball. But our defense works when all five guys are working, not when someone is playing the LeBron tough, and the rest are standing there with their thumbs up their you know what.
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Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1465 on: May 21, 2018, 11:44:47 PM »

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If Boston continues to get down 8 plus points after one quarter they will not win the series

Have to have a better start
In good news, except for the last 7 minutes of the first half, this was a very even game. Except for that 23-8 run to end the first quarter, the Cs outscored Cleveland 94-88. I know...cherrypicking... but it gives me hope if the Cs just come to play for all 48, they can win this.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1466 on: May 21, 2018, 11:44:52 PM »

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Questionable (abysmal) calls that went against us tonight:

Rozier gets fouled and hits layup and gets NO continuation like James ALWAYS gets and we get ball out on side.

George Hill literally SHOVED Rozier about 5 feet beyond the three point line with BOTH hands and NO call and he passes and then just looks at the ref like what the heck.

Jaylen get raked on arm by Korver (clearly seen on replay) on a layup/drive and NO call.

The announcers talk about Tatum missing a dunk but Nance hacked him on the wrist (ONCE again CLEAR as a bell on the replay).

George Hill knocks Tatum sideways and off balance on his jump shot from 14 feet and no call.

Those are just a few.

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Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1467 on: May 21, 2018, 11:44:54 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
'

That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.

Which part?

I'm more frustrated with the switching scheme than the staying small. I think that smaller lineup can still work against their bigger lineup if guys are hitting their shots, but that we kept up with the switching of Rozier on Bron and allowed single coverage for the vast majority of the last two games is just mind-boggling.
They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

A) LOL

B) How do those numbers look after tonight?

C) It's not even like they were forcing most of the switches; we were walking into half of them and giving them what they wanted without a fight. That's not the "spirit" or the point of switching; you still try to fight through it as much as possible and only switch when necessary.

So frustrating. That just reeks of a coach that is too invested in his own scheme/what the "analytics" tell him to see the empirical evidence right in front of him that contradicts his style.

I dunno if it's Brad's fault if Brown doesn't fight past a screen to stay on LeBron and make sure Rozier isn't stuck with him. That's something Brown needs to learn. In the regular season you could bench him for that.

but now? It's too deep in the playoffs. And the team was at least somewhat unglued on the road again. The defensive focus isn't there like it will be once the young guys get more experience. Comes with the territory. But it should improve.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1468 on: May 21, 2018, 11:45:27 PM »

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Pathetic effort for the second game in a row. Getting outworked and outhustled by guys that have been slugs all year like Korver, Hill and Thompson.
Many here fail to give the Cavs credit. They're playing well, hustling and still have LeBron. Their rebounding really gives the Celtics problems.
'

That might have a little something to do with them going big and us refusing to respond and staying small, all while switching everything and gifting them mismatches to exploit left and right.
I'd like to see someone ask Brad about that post game.

Which part?

I'm more frustrated with the switching scheme than the staying small. I think that smaller lineup can still work against their bigger lineup if guys are hitting their shots, but that we kept up with the switching of Rozier on Bron and allowed single coverage for the vast majority of the last two games is just mind-boggling.
They asked him about it. He said the numbers say it's more effective to switch than not.

A) LOL

B) How do those numbers look after tonight?

C) It's not even like they were forcing most of the switches; we were walking into half of them and giving them what they wanted without a fight. That's not the "spirit" or the point of switching; you still try to fight through it as much as possible and only switch when necessary.

So frustrating. That just reeks of a coach that is too invested in his own scheme/what the "analytics" tell him to see the empirical evidence right in front of him that contradicts his style.

It's a shame.  It was plenty evident through game 3, and even through one quarter of game 4 what the Cavs' plan was.  We did absolutely nothing to stop it.  It was clear that an adjustment needed to be made long before half time but we didn't make any.  The result was 68 points in the half for the Cavs on 61% or so shooting. 

Unacceptable.

Re: Celtics (2-1) at Cavs (1-2) ECF Game #4 5/21/18
« Reply #1469 on: May 21, 2018, 11:47:25 PM »

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Why did Brad not try a zone tonight or in game three?

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