Bringing in Harden, keeping Brown and Smart

[Darth_Yoda]

Option 1

Walker and Gordon resigned as well as pick 14, pick 26, 2021 1st to Houston
Harden, Ariza, Tucker to Boston.
Houston gets a lotto pick, a late first, another first and 2 allstars for Harden.


Option 2
Kemba and Poirier to the knicks for #8, Randle and Frank

Hayward, Randle, Edwards #8, #14, #26, 2021 1st, 2022 pick swap and 2023 1st to houston for Harden, Tucker and House

Harden, House, Tucker, Frank to Boston for Kemba, Hayward, Edwards, Poirier and a million picks,

Smart/Frank
Harden/Romeo
Brown/House
Tatum/Tucker/GrantW
Theis/Timelord/Tacko

VEt min, MLE, #47 and #30 to finish roster.

[ChillyWilly]

Call me a party pooper. Zero interest in seeing Harden in green. He is unwatchable basketball in my opinion.

Maybe I'm lying and could learn to enjoy a high usage player scoring half his points at the free throw line and who plays bullfighter defense.

[Darth_Yoda]

Call me a party pooper. Zero interest in seeing Harden in green. He is unwatchable basketball in my opinion.

Maybe I'm lying and could learn to enjoy a high usage player scoring half his points at the free throw line and who plays bullfighter defense.

Hate Hardens game as well, but Brown and Tatum do like him alot. And brown and Tatum learning to offense from HArden will not hurt them in the long run.

[BringToughnessBack]

If we want to make sure that Tatum does not resign with us, lets bring in Harden and destroy this team...We would go from fun to watch to Root Canal every game....Don't do it Danny

I am scared though...this reaks of something Danny might try and do.

No more needing Tatum or Brown to take game winning shots cause Harden wont give up the ball....Ugh...I get sick thinking of this situation.

[Darth_Yoda]

a 3rd option.

Hayward, Tucker (into TPE) and 26 to Golden State.

Curry
Klay
Hayward
Tucker
Green
(Small ball dream)

Kemba, Wiggins #2, #14, 2021 first, 2021 first to Houston

Kemba
Westbrook
Gordon
Wiggins
Wiseman
(High octane offense)

Harden, House and Ariza to Boston.

Smart/Vet Min/#30
Harden/Romeo/Edwards
Brown/House/Ariza
Tatum/GrantW/#47
Theis/Timelord/Tacko

(Lethal)

[todd_days_41]

Cs need to be careful not to acquire star players who don't want to be here. If Harden WANTS to be in NJ, then he certainly doesn't wanna be in Boston. At least for my part, I severely doubt it.

Dream scenario is Philly sends out Ben Simmons to get him, then he and Embiid go down a collective drain of infighting (which I think would be inevitable).

[Vermont Green]

Your option 1 is likely the framework that is being discussed.  It may not end up being the best deal that Houston can get for Harden, but it is a realistic offer.  I am in the camp of not sure I want Harden.  You end up having to build your whole team around him and what will be left of the Celtics is not built that way.  Still, I get the allure of bringing in a star.  Tough be a serious title contender without one.

Your option 2 breaks down I think in that NYK will not likely want to give up Randle, for Kemba Walker, much less with the #8 thrown in.  We might be able to get #8, Frank, and maybe Bobby Portis, but not Randle in my opinion.

[Darth_Yoda]

If we want to make sure that Tatum does not resign with us, lets bring in Harden and destroy this team...We would go from fun to watch to Root Canal every game....Don't do it Danny

I am scared though...this reaks of something Danny might try and do.

No more needing Tatum or Brown to take game winning shots cause Harden wont give up the ball....Ugh...I get sick thinking of this situation.

Pretty sure the boys have spoken very highly of Harden in the past.

[BringToughnessBack]

If we want to make sure that Tatum does not resign with us, lets bring in Harden and destroy this team...We would go from fun to watch to Root Canal every game....Don't do it Danny

I am scared though...this reaks of something Danny might try and do.

No more needing Tatum or Brown to take game winning shots cause Harden wont give up the ball....Ugh...I get sick thinking of this situation.

Pretty sure the boys have spoken very highly of Harden in the past.

Wait til they play with him and become 2nd and 3rd wheels....Tatum's growth would be severely hampered with Harden as our top Dog...If I were Tatum, I would not want that for my next 5 years

[Darth_Yoda]

Your option 1 is likely the framework that is being discussed.  It may not end up being the best deal that Houston can get for Harden, but it is a realistic offer.  I am in the camp of not sure I want Harden.  You end up having to build your whole team around him and what will be left of the Celtics is not built that way.  Still, I get the allure of bringing in a star.  Tough be a serious title contender without one.

Your option 2 breaks down I think in that NYK will not likely want to give up Randle, for Kemba Walker, much less with the #8 thrown in.  We might be able to get #8, Frank, and maybe Bobby Portis, but not Randle in my opinion.

Maybe not, not entirely sure. But the premise of moving Randle and Frank means that the team would be able to decline the option on Portis and still have salary cap space for a max contract or a near max and another good offer (would have about 38 million in space)

Could be FVV and Grant

Kemba
FVV
Barrett
Grant
Robinson

That is absolutely a playoff team.

[Darth_Yoda]

If we want to make sure that Tatum does not resign with us, lets bring in Harden and destroy this team...We would go from fun to watch to Root Canal every game....Don't do it Danny

I am scared though...this reaks of something Danny might try and do.

No more needing Tatum or Brown to take game winning shots cause Harden wont give up the ball....Ugh...I get sick thinking of this situation.

Pretty sure the boys have spoken very highly of Harden in the past.

Wait til they play with him and become 2nd and 3rd wheels....Tatum's growth would be severely hampered with Harden as our top Dog...If I were Tatum, I would not want that for my next 5 years

Assuming that Harden doesnt modify his game

Westbrook took 23 shots a game last season in Houston playing with Harden, Tatum took 19 a game here. If anything Tatums efficiency should go up.

And I would expect that HArden would be more a more willing passer in Boston, its the system here. He does play a system, I would expect his points to go down but his assists to go up. He shot under 20 shots a game his entire career up to the last 2 seasons.


Maybe 25ppg and 12 apg. (remember in 2016-2017 he put up 29ppg and 11 apg. He led the league in assists, led the league in assists per game and was second in Assist%)

Last season Kemba and Hayward combined for 29.4 shots per game
Last season House, Tucker and Harden shot 36.8 shots per game.

Not a big difference.
3 less shots a game for Harden (which is his career average) and a couple less shots from Marcus Smart and there is no difference in shots for Brown or Tatum

[wdleehi]

I would love Harden the talent, but not Harden who seem to push other talented offensive players out.   

I don't know if it is him or just the system he was in in Houston, but I don't want to take the chance of this making Tatum and Brown wanting to leave Boston.   

[Bobshot]

In my view, as I've said before, the missing piece is an inside presence.

Ainge has a good team, but it resembles the pre-Bill Russell teams of the 50s--bridesmaids until Russell established an inside defensive presence. With Russell, they became unbeatable.

All this stuff about Harden et al isn't going to get them to the next level.

[Irish Stew]

If I'm Houston, I want the trade to be structured around Brown plus something like whatever assets can be obtained by moving Hayward and Walker to other teams plus #14 and probably other picks. If we can move them off Brown to take Smart instead, that would be great and works for me. To not have to give up either sounds a bit hopeful with all due respect. I'd really love to be wrong and we can get Harden on the cheap.

[Phantom255x]

Bit off-topic, but I've got to admit it's hilarious seeing all the debates about whether people (C's fans) want Harden or not. Seems very split and each side has very strong feelings about it