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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on November 03, 2018, 01:06:36 AM
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The kings are playing better than the Lakers.
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The kings are playing better than the Lakers.
This is the purely distilled post that embodies everything I hate about this blog.
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I think they will. Naturally with the amount of turnover they had, alongside somewhat unknown coaching, it will take time.
LeBron, Rondo, Lance, Javale and Mykhailiuk are all new additions to their rotation, so it will take them a bit to gel
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LeBron gotta blame someone so he went to Magic and cry about Walton is my guess
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Of course they will. And the Kings will not.
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I expect they will shape up enough to be 8th seed cannon fodder.
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I voted no, a leader LeBron is not. He blames others, plays well but he is not really a leader.
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I voted no, a leader LeBron is not. He blames others, plays well but he is not really a leader.
However true this may be, or not, he has a long track record of dragging teams (a few with less talent than this LAL squad) to the playoffs, if not deep into the playoffs
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I've been saying all summer that it was far from a given they would make the playoffs. Thus far the concerns I had about that team are steadily apparent. They just aren't that good.
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I am impressed with them. They are fun to watch. Have a lot of talent. Roles are undefined thus far though. Some people don't stay within their wheelhouse (Stephenson) and their two young guys (Ball, Ingram) do not understand where their opportunities are and how aggressive they are meant to be offensively. Taking too much of a backseat to the veterans thus far.
The talent is there though. So I like their chances.
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However true this may be, or not, he has a long track record of dragging teams (a few with less talent than this LAL squad) to the playoffs, if not deep into the playoffs
Name one young player that got better besides him. Please don't say Kyrie or Tristan because they were drafted and developed to some degree during the MIA years. Too ball dominant to let others grow....
Many of the rings he won, though he is the greatest player in the world at present, key others took over the games to win them. This has happened 2 out of the 3 times. Leaders do not throw their coaches under the bus...
What he is good at, is putting his team on his back and carrying them but is this leadership? Maybe by example, but too much "me" and "I" in his leadership and not enough "we".
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However true this may be, or not, he has a long track record of dragging teams (a few with less talent than this LAL squad) to the playoffs, if not deep into the playoffs
Name one young player that got better besides him. Please don't say Kyrie or Tristan because they were drafted and developed to some degree during the MIA years. Too ball dominant to let others grow....
Many of the rings he won, though he is the greatest player in the world at present, key others took over the games to win them. This has happened 2 out of the 3 times. Leaders do not throw their coaches under the bus...
What he is good at, is putting his team on his back and carrying them but is this leadership? Maybe by example, but too much "me" and "I" in his leadership and not enough "we".
I agree entirely with your first point. I've even made it multiple times on this forum.
I also don't think he is much of a leader, as he is often present in crumbling locker-rooms.
However, he only missed the Playoffs in his first two seasons, and has never been bounced in the first round.
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I have no idea but I sure as hell hope not. I hate LeBUM.
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However true this may be, or not, he has a long track record of dragging teams (a few with less talent than this LAL squad) to the playoffs, if not deep into the playoffs
Name one young player that got better besides him. Please don't say Kyrie or Tristan because they were drafted and developed to some degree during the MIA years. Too ball dominant to let others grow....
Many of the rings he won, though he is the greatest player in the world at present, key others took over the games to win them. This has happened 2 out of the 3 times. Leaders do not throw their coaches under the bus...
What he is good at, is putting his team on his back and carrying them but is this leadership? Maybe by example, but too much "me" and "I" in his leadership and not enough "we".
I agree entirely with your first point. I've even made it multiple times on this forum.
I also don't think he is much of a leader, as he is often present in crumbling locker-rooms.
However, he only missed the Playoffs in his first two seasons, and has never been bounced in the first round.
Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good. The reality is the only high draft pick young players to really play with Lebron were Thompson and Irving and they both got significantly better playing next to him. There are plenty of things to dislike about James that you don't need to just make things up.
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Yes as long as LBJ stays healthy
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My preseason prediction was the Lakers win 45-46 games and just miss the playoffs. I'm sticking to that.
Also, the Kings will finish below .500 and never sniff the playoffs, I'm very confident of that.
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I’ll give it 2 more weeks before LeBron ships out half the team for veteran star players.
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Yes but something drastic will happen anytime LeBron is involved. Coaching change, trade, etc.
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I didn't think they would when he signed and I don't think they will now.
I think Luke Walton lasts the first 20-25 games and then James gets him fired. What lebron wants Lebron gets. How hilarious would it be if Tyron Lue is coaching the Lakers by the All star break.
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It's been a strange beginning to the season out west but ultimately I see these teams making the playoffs not necessarily in this order:
Golden State
Houston
San Antonio
New Orleans
Utah
Denver
OKC
Portland
So, yeah, I don't see the Lakers making the playoffs unless LA trades for Jimmy Butler very soon.
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Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good.
Name them, let's hear them.
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I hope they DO.
I hope they upset HOU and GSW - if not THIS year then NEXT.
I hope they make it to the Finals - either THIS year or NEXT.
I hope BOS makes it to the Finals, as well.
I hope Kyrie is allowed the opportunity to stick a fork in LeBron - in GREEN - in JUNE.
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I want Kyrie Irving to pat LeBron James on the head - once again - but this time tell him "Sorry LeBron but BOS is winning Banner 18, now."
I want Gordon Hayward to complete his "Unfinished Business" by regaining his form AND playing a key part in beating LeBron James and the Lakers - in June.
I want Kyrie Irving to put an END to "Playoff Rondo."
So YES - I "WANT" The Lakers to make the playoffs and go down in a GLORIOUS Purple and Gold flaming ship and SINK - torpedoed by their hated rivals The Boston Celtics.
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Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good.
Name them, let's hear them.
I just went through this in one of the Lebron threads, but Chalmers turned into a 10 year player by being blessed to have been on the court with James. Similarly Boobie Gibson made a career for himself just by being on the Cavs. 2nd round pick Varejao did quite well for himself playing with James (though he was actually older than James when he joined James' Cavs). JJ Hickson did just fine developing next to Lebron for 2 seasons. Osman sure wasn't hurt playing with James last year either.
Again, because James is so good, his teams often trade their 1st round picks and even if they don't they are late 1st round picks. The fact that so many of those players ended up getting 2nd contracts in the league is an achievement. The simple reality is that Thompson and Irving were the only 2 very high picks that James has ever really played with while still on their rookie contracts, and both of them got significantly better playing with James. Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
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Said that they'd miss it during the offseason and I still stand by my statement.
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Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good.
Name them, let's hear them.
I just went through this in one of the Lebron threads, but Chalmers turned into a 10 year player by being blessed to have been on the court with James. Similarly Boobie Gibson made a career for himself just by being on the Cavs. 2nd round pick Varejao did quite well for himself playing with James (though he was actually older than James when he joined James' Cavs). JJ Hickson did just fine developing next to Lebron for 2 seasons. Osman sure wasn't hurt playing with James last year either.
Again, because James is so good, his teams often trade their 1st round picks and even if they don't they are late 1st round picks. The fact that so many of those players ended up getting 2nd contracts in the league is an achievement. The simple reality is that Thompson and Irving were the only 2 very high picks that James has ever really played with while still on their rookie contracts, and both of them got significantly better playing with James. Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
Mario Chalmers was a starter in his rookie year, and didn’t improve at all alongside LeBron.
Gibson practically didn’t improve at all in terms of his production per minute throughout his whole career. Hardly a case for any development alongnside James.
Varejao is a similar story to Gibson, except he was a better player. I guess he developed a better FT touch along the years, but even you can’t attribute that to LeBron.
Hickson was solid with James, but his most noteworthy development came when James left, so not sure what the argument is there
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Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good.
Name them, let's hear them.
I just went through this in one of the Lebron threads, but Chalmers turned into a 10 year player by being blessed to have been on the court with James. Similarly Boobie Gibson made a career for himself just by being on the Cavs. 2nd round pick Varejao did quite well for himself playing with James (though he was actually older than James when he joined James' Cavs). JJ Hickson did just fine developing next to Lebron for 2 seasons. Osman sure wasn't hurt playing with James last year either.
Again, because James is so good, his teams often trade their 1st round picks and even if they don't they are late 1st round picks. The fact that so many of those players ended up getting 2nd contracts in the league is an achievement. The simple reality is that Thompson and Irving were the only 2 very high picks that James has ever really played with while still on their rookie contracts, and both of them got significantly better playing with James. Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
Mario Chalmers was a starter in his rookie year, and didn’t improve at all alongside LeBron.
Gibson practically didn’t improve at all in terms of his production per minute throughout his whole career. Hardly a case for any development alongnside James.
Varejao is a similar story to Gibson, except he was a better player. I guess he developed a better FT touch along the years, but even you can’t attribute that to LeBron.
Hickson was solid with James, but his most noteworthy development came when James left, so not sure what the argument is there
With Gouki on this one. Lebron is one of greatest players ever, but the argument he improves young players cause of varejo, Gibson and charmers seems quite curious
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looks like they are wrapping up winning their 4th of 6, he'll get them there, the only question is whether they make it past rnd 1.
people fall for it every year,lbj WANTS that controversy, he wants people against his teams, he uses it as "us against everyone else." his teams have played their best when all the talking heads say they are done, it's like a movie on a loop. he's good at playing into it because he knows it works.
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Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
I take that bet. LeBron has always wanted to win now and he will make sure, because it is what he does that by demanding they trade young talent for vets. Teams he has been on are usually good because of his talent but they are utter train wrecks after he leaves. I am sorry but that is not leadership.
I know your a great fan of his, I am not saying he is a great player. But face it, Lebron is all about LeBron.
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Except plenty of young players developed next to him. They just happen to be late 1st and 2nd round picks because his teams are so good.
Name them, let's hear them.
I just went through this in one of the Lebron threads, but Chalmers turned into a 10 year player by being blessed to have been on the court with James. Similarly Boobie Gibson made a career for himself just by being on the Cavs. 2nd round pick Varejao did quite well for himself playing with James (though he was actually older than James when he joined James' Cavs). JJ Hickson did just fine developing next to Lebron for 2 seasons. Osman sure wasn't hurt playing with James last year either.
Again, because James is so good, his teams often trade their 1st round picks and even if they don't they are late 1st round picks. The fact that so many of those players ended up getting 2nd contracts in the league is an achievement. The simple reality is that Thompson and Irving were the only 2 very high picks that James has ever really played with while still on their rookie contracts, and both of them got significantly better playing with James. Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
Mario Chalmers was a starter in his rookie year, and didn’t improve at all alongside LeBron.
Gibson practically didn’t improve at all in terms of his production per minute throughout his whole career. Hardly a case for any development alongnside James.
Varejao is a similar story to Gibson, except he was a better player. I guess he developed a better FT touch along the years, but even you can’t attribute that to LeBron.
Hickson was solid with James, but his most noteworthy development came when James left, so not sure what the argument is there
With Gouki on this one. Lebron is one of greatest players ever, but the argument he improves young players cause of varejo, Gibson and charmers seems quite curious
but those are the young players he has played with and they all got better playing with him. There is no evidence to support the other side of that argument i.e. you can't name a young player that didn't develop next to Lebron. They just don't exist because the simple reality it Lebron rarely played with young players other than late 1st and 2nd round picks.
Now if you want to claim that the Lakers will trade away their young players for established stars, that is certainly reasonable and frankly is at least probable if not likely that it happens, but that is not the same thing.
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Ingram and Ball now join the Irving and Thompson list, and I'm sure they will develop just fine as well.
I take that bet. LeBron has always wanted to win now and he will make sure, because it is what he does that by demanding they trade young talent for vets. Teams he has been on are usually good because of his talent but they are utter train wrecks after he leaves. I am sorry but that is not leadership.
I know your a great fan of his, I am not saying he is a great player. But face it, Lebron is all about LeBron.
Trading them is not the same thing that is being argued though. I agree there is a very good chance they trade some of the young guys. Heck, I think they should have acquired Leonard this summer and they should have been willing to trade all of them to make that happen if that is what it took (I think it would have just been Ingram and one of Ball/Kuzma, but they should have done that). The Lakers are already wasting James' best remaining season by putting a non-contending roster on the floor. I can't see them doing that again, so even if they don't do much this season, I would expect they would next summer. When you have someone as good James, you have to go all in around him.
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A wasted season for LeBron and the Lakers doing poorly is a good thing in my book. I agree with the rest.
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I think they’re a borderline playoff team - 7 seed at highest and probably no worse than 9 or 10 if missing the playoffs.
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They have some easy wins coming up.
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Lebron is too good for them to miss it.
They will be around 6-8 if they continue their average play but if they improve their D and mesh well before february then they could be a 4th seed.
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Lebron is too good for them to miss it.
They will be around 6-8 if they continue their average play but if they improve their D and mesh well before february then they could be a 4th seed.
I would be very surprised if they make the 4th seed. The teams immediately ahead of them have improvements that are more likely to come / certainties. New Orleans will get AD back. Thunder have won 4 in a row and are seemingly back on track. The Jazz should improve. The Spurs will continue to gel. Then there are the Rockets, who are starting to get it back on track.
Then there are teams like the Warriors, the Nuggets and the Trailblazers (a team I apparently underestimated preseason) who are all playing at a much higher level than LA.
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Lebron is too good for them to miss it.
They will be around 6-8 if they continue their average play but if they improve their D and mesh well before february then they could be a 4th seed.
I’m not so positive they make it, but I am positive they won’t be the 4 seed. If they continue this “average play,” they are missing the playoffs. They need to get better.
I thought LeBron would start to age this season, and I think it’s showing already. People tend to overlook the Cavs were built for him with shooters and low-usage guys. This team really isn’t, at all.
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Lakers are 8-7 but are currently 9th in the West playoff race.
That's the thing about Lebron's new team, this isn't the East where having like 45 wins will be still enough for a Top-4 seed. Good chance the Lakers finish the year somewhere around 45-47 wins but are something like a 6-7 seed in the West (5 at best).
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I just don't want LeBron to drop 51 points on the Celtics at the TD Garden, nor watching the Lakers sweep the Celtics this season...cuz with the way they playing right now, it looks baaad.
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Yes as long as LBJ stays healthy
This is pretty much where I am at as well. I don't think they are any higher than a 7/8 seed and it will take pretty much everything lebrons got to get them there, but I think they make it as long as he is healthy.
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So a quarter through the season and at 13-9 they are tied with Portland for the 6th seed. They are 2.5 games behind the top seeded Clippers and just 3 games ahead of the Spurs for 2nd worst in the conference. Should be an interesting season out west.
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So a quarter through the season and at 13-9 they are tied with Portland for the 6th seed. They are 2.5 games behind the top seeded Clippers and just 3 games ahead of the Spurs for 2nd worst in the conference. Should be an interesting season out west.
Yeah, looking at the standings for both the west and even the east. everything is pretty crowded. Even as poor as the celtics have played, if they can get a streak going they are 3.5 games out of 2nd seed
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So a quarter through the season and at 13-9 they are tied with Portland for the 6th seed. They are 2.5 games behind the top seeded Clippers and just 3 games ahead of the Spurs for 2nd worst in the conference. Should be an interesting season out west.
Yeah, looking at the standings for both the west and even the east. everything is pretty crowded. Even as poor as the celtics have played, if they can get a streak going they are 3.5 games out of 2nd seed
there is better parity in the East.
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So a quarter through the season and at 13-9 they are tied with Portland for the 6th seed. They are 2.5 games behind the top seeded Clippers and just 3 games ahead of the Spurs for 2nd worst in the conference. Should be an interesting season out west.
Yeah, looking at the standings for both the west and even the east. everything is pretty crowded. Even as poor as the celtics have played, if they can get a streak going they are 3.5 games out of 2nd seed
there is better parity in the East.
Uh no. The West has parity, the East does not. Though some of that parity in the West is injury driven. If the Warriors were fully healthy, I think they are pretty clearly the 1 seed (they are 10-2 in Curry's games for example). The Rockets are 0-5 without Paul. The Pelicans are 0-4 without Davis.
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http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/26006437/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-not-favored-make-postseason-westgate-las-vegas-superbook
Vegas: Lakers no longer favored to make the playoffs
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The Lakers are 2 games behind the Kings and the Clippers and tankathon shows them with a significantly harder remaining strength of schedule.
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kinda depends on IF LeBum wants to.
He is in between a rock and hard place. His comments the other day got him in hot water with the Laker fans about , " Im not worried about playoffs , theres nothing i have not accomplished in the NBA I wanted. He latter retracted that statement. Many fans think he came now just to make the extra big market TV money above his contract. So now everybody is watching his effort . He had triple double in Atlanta , but body language was totally wrong.
If he does not play hard , that sends a message to other more motivated stars , is Lebum lazy and coasting , do i even want to play on that team.
Lebum needs to play hard ,reluctantly, to make his tram attractive as possible .
Lebum is all about Lebum . All the above kills him. Wasting time and energy . We should just support his 36 million habit and let him play hard when it suits him . Fans are fools luving this jerk.
His luv of money will overcome his natural tendency to coast and set on his rear and watch. So yeah....he mans up and drags this group of losers to a 8 th spot over the Kings .
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I think they could get in but not sure they want to.
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He has left every team he was one in worse shape so I am guessing no they don't make the playoffs. His career will only go down from this point as old age is something no man beats and his playstyle will not translate well to an aged game. Now he is sitting by himself, and alienating his team mates. One would have thought that Magic would be able to stick up to him but signs point to "no".
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Lebron looks heavy and a bit lethargic. Time for one of those in-season vacations to Miami that always seem to work miracles.
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Lebron looks heavy and a bit lethargic. Time for one of those in-season vacations to Miami that always seem to work miracles.
TP....just thinking the same thing, but I thought he might have done it when he was recovering from his groin strain.
Yeah, LeToxic loves going to Ponce de Leon's place, doesn't he....so rejuvenating.
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They should push for it - and try to match up with DEN.
I have a feeling that - if healthy - they can upset DEN.
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What's the point... the entire squad knows after this season nobody is safe so why not keep your value low and let father time battle lebron
You might as well since lebron coming to LA took play time away and stalled everyone's development, I'm still convinced in a different system kuzma would be great... look at Russell mans been on fire since he left LA
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Imagine Lakers get the 8th seed
Upset Golden State in round 1
Upset Houston in round 2
Upset OKC in round 3
And then upset whoever is in the NBA Finals, Milwaukee perhaps.
The whole world will lose their cool.
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If they're willing to start playing defense soon, then yep. Otherwise, early vacation for Bron Bron.
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Vegas now favors them to miss the playoffs.
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I always thought that Lebron is a great leader, but even I didn't imagine that he would lead the Lakers to the lottery berth.
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Imagine Lakers get the 8th seed
Upset Golden State in round 1
Upset Houston in round 2
Upset OKC in round 3
And then upset whoever is in the NBA Finals, Milwaukee perhaps.
The whole world will lose their cool.
Both Durant and Curry would have to be out for that to have a chance of happening
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Imagine Lakers get the 8th seed
Upset Golden State in round 1
Upset Houston in round 2
Upset OKC in round 3
And then upset whoever is in the NBA Finals, Milwaukee perhaps.
The whole world will lose their cool.
Both Durant and Curry would have to be out for that to have a chance of happening
And Harden, and PG13 & Westbrook
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Imagine Lakers get the 8th seed
Upset Golden State in round 1
Upset Houston in round 2
Upset OKC in round 3
And then upset whoever is in the NBA Finals, Milwaukee perhaps.
The whole world will lose their cool.
Both Durant and Curry would have to be out for that to have a chance of happening
And Harden, and PG13 & Westbrook
And Kyrie and Al and Tatum and Brown and Smart and Hayward. oh yeah, they'd have to get by us in the finals too.
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Imagine Lakers get the 8th seed
Upset Golden State in round 1
Upset Houston in round 2
Upset OKC in round 3
And then upset whoever is in the NBA Finals, Milwaukee perhaps.
The whole world will lose their cool.
If all of that happens for LA, then this is officially a "Year of Destiny," and the Celtics will win the East to create a Celtics-Lakers finals.
Mike
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
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They have some weird incentives this year - making the playoffs is very unlikely to get them far, and missing it helps them add another decent asset to an Anthony Davis package. But LeBron and the franchise expect better and would be embarrassed by missing out; if they plan on hanging on to some of those young guys getting them some playoff experience would be good for their development too.
I think they'll squeak it out unless LeBron is still hurt, but it wouldn't surprise me based on LeBron's history of giving up on lost causes if they kinda did a shadow tank to stay in the lottery.
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I’m hoping they finish at least ahead of the Kings (for our pick), but not above the Clippers to push them out of the playoffs. It’s gonna be close and stressful for us picks wise.
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I think the Lakers are on a soft tank, and will miss the playoffs, which will make their pick more valuable than the Kings' pick.
There is no way the Lakers can get past the first round as the 8th seed vs. GSW.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
Yup. That was my thought.
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If they can't get to the 7 th seed
Then i predict a tank to take them out of the playoffs all together .
Lebron rather tank to improve the pick than get throttled by GS.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
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Lebron is worth several games a year due to the favorable officiating.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...
If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?
I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..
(https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/02/APTOPIX-Lakers-Celtics-Basketball.jpg)
I'm serious.
Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.
Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.
The Boston Strangler Part Deux.
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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...
If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?
I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..
(https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/02/APTOPIX-Lakers-Celtics-Basketball.jpg)
I'm serious.
Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.
Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.
The Boston Strangler Part Deux.
Very bizarre post...
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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...
If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?
I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..
(https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/02/APTOPIX-Lakers-Celtics-Basketball.jpg)
I'm serious.
Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.
Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.
The Boston Strangler Part Deux.
Very bizarre post...
How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...
If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?
I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..
(https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/02/APTOPIX-Lakers-Celtics-Basketball.jpg)
I'm serious.
Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.
Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.
The Boston Strangler Part Deux.
Very bizarre post...
How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
Yes. If I got any kind of reasonable odds I would bet massively against them. They are really not a good team. There was a pretty fluky game with a couple of weird bounces that went their way... but nothing to have this kind of take over.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
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Well, they're off to a GREAT start, so far...
If they mess around and make it to the Finals and WE are waiting for them?
I'd be afraid...VERY afraid..
(https://multifiles.pressherald.com/uploads/sites/11/2019/02/APTOPIX-Lakers-Celtics-Basketball.jpg)
I'm serious.
Until we can prove that Kyrie can step up against Rondo, LeBron and The Lakers I am DEAD serious about our chances against LA in a seven game series in June.
Rajon Rondo is messing around and fixing to become a modern-day Andrew Toney against us.
The Boston Strangler Part Deux.
Very bizarre post...
How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I think almost all of us would bet against the Lakers in a playoff series, lol
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
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How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot. His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore. Old age is starting to show cracks in his game
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
Rofl. Weird hill to die on
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
I honestly have no idea what you're getting at.
Rofl. Weird hill to die on
Seriously, this isn't shade, I don't even understand what hill he's on.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)
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How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot. His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore. Old age is starting to show cracks in his game
It is not debatable at all, he clearly isn't. He is completely a one way player at this point of the year. Giannis and Leonard are mopping the floor with him for that title right now. Harden is a one way player too, but lapping him offensively. Does Lebron even make all-first team this year?
First team all nba is probably combination of Durant/Giannis/Leonard at forwards Embid at center. Curry/Harden at guards.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)
This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...
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How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot. His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore. Old age is starting to show cracks in his game
It is not debatable at all, he clearly isn't. He is completely a one way player at this point of the year. Giannis and Leonard are mopping the floor with him for that title right now. Harden is a one way player too, but lapping him offensively.
LeBron wasn't the best player in the regular season last year either. Or the year before. It's the playoffs that have let him maintain that status. Of course, decent shot he doesn't get to show anything there either.
Does Lebron even make all-first team this year?
First team all nba is probably combination of Durant/Giannis/Leonard at forwards Embid at center. Curry/Harden at guards.
Nope. At least, if he did it'd be on pure reputation and not performance.
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How bizarre?
LeBron James STILL has BOS's number - and it is magnified MORE in Purple and Gold.
Rajon Rondo almost beat us while he was in CHI, during the playoffs. IT4 struggled and he/CHI had us on the ropes until he got injured.
Rajon beat us while he was in DAL.
It is not out of the realm of the impossible to think that he could figure against us again - IF we meet in the post-season.
Unlikely? Of course.
But would ANY of us bet against Rajon Rondo AND LeBron James in a seven game series?
I would, LeBron did not beat us last time, his team was hot. His days are numbered and it is very debatable that he is the best player in the league anymore. Old age is starting to show cracks in his game
yup....all his energy goes to putting up the offensive stats to keep up the image . He does of lot of nothing during a game , just standing around watching , especially on defensive end . He still complains and wastes time arguing with the refs , which now seems to be just to rest and walk dow court , while his man is dunking or getting an easy shot. What L A fans don't want to hear or believe , he ll be worse the next two years , not better.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)
This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...
More crazy is Malone and Stockton having the same streak and yet never won a title.
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Lebron has never lost in the 1st round of the playoffs and he has only missed the playoffs his first 2 seasons.
So with that in mind, what is better for Lebron's legacy, to miss the playoffs or to make the playoffs but get hammered by the Warriors in the 1st round? In other words, is Lebron better off keeping his playoff streak alive or his 2nd round streak alive where his legacy is concerned?
I think in the grand scheme of things in judging his legacy, neither is going to move the needle.
Personally, I only think extreme winning/playoff success moves the needle, something LeBron isn't anywhere near. We're talking Bill Russell 11 NBA championships in 13 years, 2 NCAA championships in 3 years, levels of success. Obviously this has helped Russell's legacy.
But for everybody else, as long as you have some championship pedigree, it doesn't really matter.
Does anybody think less of Kobe because he missed the playoffs in '05 and got eliminated in the first round in '06 and '07? Or Duncan who got eliminated in the first round in '09, '11, '15. Magic and Kareem both lost in the first round in '81. Kareem didn't make the playoffs in '75 (missed a few games and team was 3-14 without him, 35-30 with him) or '76 (healthy), and had a first round knockout in '78. Bird, still All-NBA 2nd team level, got knocked out in the first round in '90. Hakeem missed the playoffs in '91, and had many first round knockouts ('85, '88, '89, '90, '91, '98, '99, '02). And some of these are guys who get some argument for greatest all time, but all are at least universally considered top-3, top-5, top-10, top-15 all time.
Either way, sure the talking heads might bring it up the next day after it happens, but afterwards it won't really be considered when it comes to legacy.
yeah but you are splitting hairs between players at James' level. Personally I think the fact that he has never lost in the 1st round is a pretty big separator for him when splitting those hairs
But anybody who thinks winning fewer games is better than winning more games is being silly, I think.
regular season wins do nothing from a historical perspective
You do understand that regular season wins is what determines a playoff berth, yes?
sure but most of the greats have missed the playoffs
George Mikan - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1954, 1956)
Jim Polard - Minneapolis Lakers (7 seasons: 1949-1955)
Frank Ramsey - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1955, 1957-1964)
Tommy Heinsohn - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1957-1965)
Bill Russell - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1957-1969)
Sam Jones - Boston Celtics (12 seasons: 1958-1969)
KC Jones - Boston Celtics (9 seasons: 1959-1967)
Wilt Chamberlain - Philadelphia/San Fransisco Warriors, Philadelphia 76ers, Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1960-1973)
Elgin Baylor - Minneapolis/Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1959-1972)
Jerry West - Los Angeles Lakers (14 seasons: 1961-1974)
Julius Erving - Philadelphia 76ers (11 seasons in NBA: 1977-1987)
Larry Bird - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1980-1992)
Magic Johnson - Los Angeles Lakers (13 seasons: 1980-1991, 1996)
Sidney Moncrief - Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks (11 seasons: 1980-1989, 1991)
Kevin McHale - Boston Celtics (13 seasons: 1981-1993)
Clyde Drexler - Portland Trailblazers, Houston Rockets (15 seasons: 1984-1998)
Reggie Lewis - Boston Celtics (6 seasons: 1988-1993)
John Stockton - Utah Jazz (19 seasons: 1985-2003)
Karl Malone - Utah Jazz, Los Angeles Lakers (19 seasons: 1986-2004)
Mario Elie - Golden State Warriors, Portland TrailBlazers, Houston Rockets, San Antonio Spurs, Phoenix Suns (11 seasons: 1991-2001)
Robert Horry - Houston Rockets, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs (16 seasons: 1993-2008)
Tim Duncan - San Antonio Spurs (19 seasons: 1997-2016)
Glen Davis - Boston Celtics, Orlando Magic, Los Angeles Clippers (9 seasons: 2008-2015)
This is the craziest of the streaks.. he made playoffs every year...
More crazy is Malone and Stockton having the same streak and yet never won a title.
Average Al is getting there as well. Sadly still no title for him either
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It's funny listening to some of these ESPN debates on the Lakers now and comparing them to the Celtics. A lot of the same things are being said.
Bad chemistry. Players not understanding roles. Questioning the head coach. Players disrupted by trade talks. Both by Anthony Davis trade talks. The young guys disconnected with the old guys. Sometimes it's the young guys not playing up to par. Sometimes it's the old guys. Guys worried about free agency next year and their next contract (especially vets on 1 year deals from last summer for LA). LeBron giving up on the young guys too early (wanting them traded for vets, calling them out).
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Yes as long as LBJ stays healthy
not looking good
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It's funny listening to some of these ESPN debates on the Lakers now and comparing them to the Celtics. A lot of the same things are being said.
Bad chemistry. Players not understanding roles. Questioning the head coach. Players disrupted by trade talks. Both by Anthony Davis trade talks. The young guys disconnected with the old guys. Sometimes it's the young guys not playing up to par. Sometimes it's the old guys. Guys worried about free agency next year and their next contract (especially vets on 1 year deals from last summer for LA). LeBron giving up on the young guys too early (wanting them traded for vets, calling them out).
The difference is, the Celtics are the 5th seed and the Lakers are missing the playoffs.
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It's funny listening to some of these ESPN debates on the Lakers now and comparing them to the Celtics. A lot of the same things are being said.
Bad chemistry. Players not understanding roles. Questioning the head coach. Players disrupted by trade talks. Both by Anthony Davis trade talks. The young guys disconnected with the old guys. Sometimes it's the young guys not playing up to par. Sometimes it's the old guys. Guys worried about free agency next year and their next contract (especially vets on 1 year deals from last summer for LA). LeBron giving up on the young guys too early (wanting them traded for vets, calling them out).
The difference is, the Celtics are the 5th seed and the Lakers are missing the playoffs.
Celtics would be out of playoff in the west.
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It's funny listening to some of these ESPN debates on the Lakers now and comparing them to the Celtics. A lot of the same things are being said.
Bad chemistry. Players not understanding roles. Questioning the head coach. Players disrupted by trade talks. Both by Anthony Davis trade talks. The young guys disconnected with the old guys. Sometimes it's the young guys not playing up to par. Sometimes it's the old guys. Guys worried about free agency next year and their next contract (especially vets on 1 year deals from last summer for LA). LeBron giving up on the young guys too early (wanting them traded for vets, calling them out).
The difference is, the Celtics are the 5th seed and the Lakers are missing the playoffs.
Celtics would be out of playoff in the west.
I think they're 10-13 against the West this season so, maybe you're right.
I doubt it would actually be that big of a swing, though, if they were actually out West. They'd probably still be the 6th seed or so.
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Miss the playoffs and they may not even match the record of last year's team. Downright embarrassing
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Not anymore. Even if LAC and SAS finish the year at a .500 clip (so 9-9), LAL would need to go 15-3 or even 16-2 the rest of the way to have a shot. It’s not happening.
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Not anymore. Even if LAC and SAS finish the year at a .500 clip (so 9-9), LAL would need to go 15-3 or even 16-2 the rest of the way to have a shot. It’s not happening.
They're playing Denver on Wednesday...so you can add another "L" to that column. They might have a shot against Boston though, given how much that team is going through right now ;D
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LBJ Exposed. Not good enough to lead his team to playoffs or even modest improvement.
Statuesque defense and no-one left for him to blame that hasn't already been blamed upon.
Old Kobe 2.0.
Like a TV series with an aged cast that became irrelevant.
Story fits.
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I sure hope we can beat this broken team on Saturday
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I called it.
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Said that they'd miss it during the offseason and I still stand by my statement.
8)
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I sure hope we can beat this broken team on Saturday
We'd better.
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I sure hope we can beat this broken team on Saturday
We'd better.
This Saturday Night game will be more a "battle of extremely dysfunctional teams" instead of a "historic rivalry" :P
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It's funny listening to some of these ESPN debates on the Lakers now and comparing them to the Celtics. A lot of the same things are being said.
Bad chemistry. Players not understanding roles. Questioning the head coach. Players disrupted by trade talks. Both by Anthony Davis trade talks. The young guys disconnected with the old guys. Sometimes it's the young guys not playing up to par. Sometimes it's the old guys. Guys worried about free agency next year and their next contract (especially vets on 1 year deals from last summer for LA). LeBron giving up on the young guys too early (wanting them traded for vets, calling them out).
Standard issue talking points for all teams in a rough patch
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Lakers now 7.5 games out of the 8th spot with 14 games remaining. Feels like a done deal.
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Lakers now 7.5 games out of the 8th spot with 14 games remaining. Feels like a done deal.
Even more so now that they lost to the Knicks with LeBum producing his career worst quarter (4th) ever.
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Lakers now 7.5 games out of the 8th spot with 14 games remaining. Feels like a done deal.
Even more so now that they lost to the Knicks with LeBum producing his career worst quarter (4th) ever.
Father Time is not taking it easy on Bronny
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This has become quite embarrassing
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I looked at their record pre- and post-AD trade.
Before LeBum ordered his minion Rich Paul to have AD demand a trade, the Lakers were 26-24 for .520 win %.
Afterwards, when Rich Paul had leaked that everyone on the Lakers other than LeBum were available the Lakers were 5-14 for .263. Unfortunately one of those games was against us :-\
Even taking into account his injury, the AD powerplay completely destroyed their team chemistry.
Win Loss Win %
Pre-AD Trade Request 26 24 .520
Post-AD Trade Request 5 14 .263
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I looked at their record pre- and post-AD trade.
Before LeBum ordered his minion Rich Paul to have AD demand a trade, the Lakers were 26-24 for .520 win %.
Afterwards, when Rich Paul had leaked that everyone on the Lakers other than LeBum were available the Lakers were 5-14 for .263. Unfortunately one of those games was against us :-\
Even taking into account his injury, the AD powerplay completely destroyed their team chemistry.
Win Loss Win %
Pre-AD Trade Request 26 24 .520
Post-AD Trade Request 5 14 .263
Or it coincides with Ball getting injured. Lakers were 25-22 with Ball (25-20 with Ball starting). They are 6-17 since Ball went down.
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I looked at their record pre- and post-AD trade.
Before LeBum ordered his minion Rich Paul to have AD demand a trade, the Lakers were 26-24 for .520 win %.
Afterwards, when Rich Paul had leaked that everyone on the Lakers other than LeBum were available the Lakers were 5-14 for .263. Unfortunately one of those games was against us :-\
Even taking into account his injury, the AD powerplay completely destroyed their team chemistry.
Win Loss Win %
Pre-AD Trade Request 26 24 .520
Post-AD Trade Request 5 14 .263
Or it coincides with Ball getting injured. Lakers were 25-22 with Ball (25-20 with Ball starting). They are 6-17 since Ball went down.
I think this one is clear as a tear.
LBJ mined the dam. It doesn't look pretty after it blew up.
But building around 34 y/o is always a good thing, so they have that going for them.
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I looked at their record pre- and post-AD trade.
Before LeBum ordered his minion Rich Paul to have AD demand a trade, the Lakers were 26-24 for .520 win %.
Afterwards, when Rich Paul had leaked that everyone on the Lakers other than LeBum were available the Lakers were 5-14 for .263. Unfortunately one of those games was against us :-\
Even taking into account his injury, the AD powerplay completely destroyed their team chemistry.
Win Loss Win %
Pre-AD Trade Request 26 24 .520
Post-AD Trade Request 5 14 .263
Or it coincides with Ball getting injured. Lakers were 25-22 with Ball (25-20 with Ball starting). They are 6-17 since Ball went down.
I think this one is clear as a tear.
LBJ mined the dam. It doesn't look pretty after it blew up.
But building around 34 y/o is always a good thing, so they have that going for them.
The Lakers are terrible without Ball's defense as there isn't a single guard on that team that guards anyone, other than Ball. when Ball went down the flood gates opened in the back court and opposing guards have a field day night in and night out. It affects everyone on the team's defense and makes it very difficult to win games. I'm sure the trade rumors didn't help, but the young guys still seemed to perform at about the same clip, so it really didn't affect them much. Then Ingram went down as well, but the down fall started when Ball got hurt. His injury set the Lakers on their present course of losing.
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Lebron and Rondo can so sulk by themselfs in a bananna boat during the playoffs .
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
Their FO is a complete mystery to me. Trading Zubac is still completely baffling.
Not that I'm complaining. Now I can root for Zubac to succeed!
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I'm sure he will get another job, but I'm not so sure he is actually a good coach. He has made quite a few questionable decisions, and none of them worked out. His in game adjustments have been poor through out his tenure. I just don't see much there that would give me confidence in his ability going forward and he obviously isn't the right coach for this team.
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
It all points to that PG13 was their main plan,
and when he changed his mind (or NBA told him he can't, remember Magics tampering during the last season), they were left without options. Contingency plans didn't exist and they went for this "let's reroll it until the next year" option.
PG13 is exactly the kind of guy LBJ needs at this point of his career. He defends, can score, and is ready for big things.
He is truly the best-man of LeBron's fall.
I agree with Roy that this LBJ disappointment is a combination of things, not just father time.
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Lebron doesn't need AnY head coach , he is gonna hog the ball and play when , where , how he likes . He sits by himself , snubs the team ...like you all suck and Im not needing anything from you.
So, he has what he wants . ...he pays no attention to Walton ...he doesn't need another coach ....just somebody to sit there and do what ever he wants . >:(
How can you blame any coach , when your best player defies you at every turn and ridicules you in front of other players and acts like you are not in charge ? How,is the rest of the team who looks for coaching and guidance supposed to react ? This is partly to blame for the culture of the younger players . Its like if Lebron likes me , then Im ok , how about the other 12 guys he won't have anything to do with ?
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
It all points to that PG13 was their main plan,
and when he changed his mind (or NBA told him he can't, remember Magics tampering during the last season), they were left without options. Contingency plans didn't exist and they went for this "let's reroll it until the next year" option.
PG13 is exactly the kind of guy LBJ needs at this point of his career. He defends, can score, and is ready for big things.
He is truly the best-man of LeBron's fall.
I agree with Roy that this LBJ disappointment is a combination of things, not just father time.
I felt the Lakers were cooled off on PG when he was becoming a free agent, they were more focused on getting Kawhi. One of the reasons PG re-upped with OKC seemed to be that the Lakers were not heavily courting him. Not saying they would not have signed him, just that they didn't seem too stunned when he decided to re-up.
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
I think the front office listened to LeBron and LeBron's long term plan was that he and Klutch would make sure Davis would demand a trade to LAL and that LAL front office needed to sign one year deals to use as trade salary filler and so leave enough room this offseason to add another max free agent. So the one year deals were signed and Davis pulled the stunt and everything went sideways.
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This has become quite embarrassing
Walton does not deserve rap he is getting . This belongs to Lakers FO and LeHood and associates.
Walton will get another gig VERY fast. He has been amazing to actually try and be acoach though all this drama Lebron brought will him. With Lopez , Zu, Randle and Russel ...Walton would have been in the playoffs . So they trade his two best centers , his only shooters and hire a bunch of slack has beens. No direction by FO. Lebron is UNcoachable by REAL coaches .
I still don’t understand their plan last off-season. “Bring in a bunch of volatile personalities who can’t shoot and who only play defense occasionally “. Even on one year deals, that’s the best they could do?
It all points to that PG13 was their main plan,
and when he changed his mind (or NBA told him he can't, remember Magics tampering during the last season), they were left without options. Contingency plans didn't exist and they went for this "let's reroll it until the next year" option.
PG13 is exactly the kind of guy LBJ needs at this point of his career. He defends, can score, and is ready for big things.
He is truly the best-man of LeBron's fall.
I agree with Roy that this LBJ disappointment is a combination of things, not just father time.
I felt the Lakers were cooled off on PG when he was becoming a free agent, they were more focused on getting Kawhi. One of the reasons PG re-upped with OKC seemed to be that the Lakers were not heavily courting him. Not saying they would not have signed him, just that they didn't seem too stunned when he decided to re-up.
He signed at midnight without even taking a meeting with the Lakers, which reportedly really threw the Lakers off.