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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2130 on: March 11, 2019, 03:11:36 AM »

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Supposedly, Davis doesn't want to come to Boston because of the way Isaiah was treated.  Well, here are Isaiah's recent comments about Boston.

In an interview with the Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett, Thomas said he “can’t wait,” to play in Boston next Monday.
“That’s going to be a special moment for me,” Thomas said. “Even if they don’t do a video or whatever, just being back in that city and that arena is going to be unbelievable. I had the best basketball moments of my career in that arena. Boston’s always going to be in my heart, no matter what.”
A massive fan favorite in Boston, the point guard also noted his lasting affection for Greenteamers.
“It’s every day,” Thomas said. “The whole social media is, ‘We want you back,’ and this and that. I don’t think that love will ever go anywhere. It was really genuine love on both sides. I went through a life changing moment with that city and that organization, so my love for Boston will never change. And, I mean, you never know what the future holds. I talk to Brad (Stevens) probably every couple of weeks. I keep a relationship with most of those players and the whole coaching staff. They’re really like family. I spent three years there, and my sons grew up there for the most part, and it was big for my family.”
https://nesn.com/2019/03/isaiah-thomas-cant-wait-for-boston-return-shares-love-for-celtics-fans/

Guys seem to love their time in Boston.  I'm not worried about Davis re-signing if we make the trade.

Is there a way Ainge can sign IT4 as a backup guard next season. He's the reason why Horford is here and how we got Hayward and Irving lol.


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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2131 on: March 11, 2019, 07:16:49 AM »

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Supposedly, Davis doesn't want to come to Boston because of the way Isaiah was treated.  Well, here are Isaiah's recent comments about Boston.

In an interview with the Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett, Thomas said he “can’t wait,” to play in Boston next Monday.
“That’s going to be a special moment for me,” Thomas said. “Even if they don’t do a video or whatever, just being back in that city and that arena is going to be unbelievable. I had the best basketball moments of my career in that arena. Boston’s always going to be in my heart, no matter what.”
A massive fan favorite in Boston, the point guard also noted his lasting affection for Greenteamers.
“It’s every day,” Thomas said. “The whole social media is, ‘We want you back,’ and this and that. I don’t think that love will ever go anywhere. It was really genuine love on both sides. I went through a life changing moment with that city and that organization, so my love for Boston will never change. And, I mean, you never know what the future holds. I talk to Brad (Stevens) probably every couple of weeks. I keep a relationship with most of those players and the whole coaching staff. They’re really like family. I spent three years there, and my sons grew up there for the most part, and it was big for my family.”
https://nesn.com/2019/03/isaiah-thomas-cant-wait-for-boston-return-shares-love-for-celtics-fans/

Guys seem to love their time in Boston.  I'm not worried about Davis re-signing if we make the trade.

Is there a way Ainge can sign IT4 as a backup guard next season. He's the reason why Horford is here and how we got Hayward and Irving lol.

He will be a free agent and won't command much money, so yes.  I don't want him if Kyrie stays though.  He would be an awful courtmate with Kyrie on both ends of the floor.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2132 on: March 16, 2019, 10:16:14 AM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2133 on: March 16, 2019, 11:09:43 AM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2134 on: March 16, 2019, 11:11:29 AM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
That's a massive package. I'd much rather ship off the MEM and/or SAC pick than Hayward
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Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2135 on: March 16, 2019, 11:41:04 AM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
That's a massive package. I'd much rather ship off the MEM and/or SAC pick than Hayward

I am torn.

I mean irving and davis will need the ball alot to be effective and that minimizes Haywards effectiveness.

Brown can effectively be a third scorer and smart is a gamechanger defensively. Brown is also turning into a defensive beast

This also alows for Horford to be a point power forward which makes him a nightmare to defend.

Keeping those 2 good picks means that there is an increased odds at drafting another stud.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2136 on: March 16, 2019, 11:42:59 AM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2137 on: March 16, 2019, 11:43:30 AM »

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Supposedly, Davis doesn't want to come to Boston because of the way Isaiah was treated.  Well, here are Isaiah's recent comments about Boston.

In an interview with the Boston Herald’s Steve Bulpett, Thomas said he “can’t wait,” to play in Boston next Monday.
“That’s going to be a special moment for me,” Thomas said. “Even if they don’t do a video or whatever, just being back in that city and that arena is going to be unbelievable. I had the best basketball moments of my career in that arena. Boston’s always going to be in my heart, no matter what.”
A massive fan favorite in Boston, the point guard also noted his lasting affection for Greenteamers.
“It’s every day,” Thomas said. “The whole social media is, ‘We want you back,’ and this and that. I don’t think that love will ever go anywhere. It was really genuine love on both sides. I went through a life changing moment with that city and that organization, so my love for Boston will never change. And, I mean, you never know what the future holds. I talk to Brad (Stevens) probably every couple of weeks. I keep a relationship with most of those players and the whole coaching staff. They’re really like family. I spent three years there, and my sons grew up there for the most part, and it was big for my family.”
https://nesn.com/2019/03/isaiah-thomas-cant-wait-for-boston-return-shares-love-for-celtics-fans/

Guys seem to love their time in Boston.  I'm not worried about Davis re-signing if we make the trade.

Is there a way Ainge can sign IT4 as a backup guard next season. He's the reason why Horford is here and how we got Hayward and Irving lol.

He will be a free agent and won't command much money, so yes.  I don't want him if Kyrie stays though.  He would be an awful courtmate with Kyrie on both ends of the floor.

At this point IT would be only a 15 min per game bench scorer until he proves he can physically compete again at this level.  He is a massive defensive liability.

There would be no issue with him and Kyrie on the same team.  He and Terry Rozier and Kryie though....another story.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2138 on: March 16, 2019, 12:04:25 PM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2139 on: March 16, 2019, 12:17:13 PM »

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Orlando needs to clear out the glut of front court players. And they are going to most likely resign Vucevic. Because of this I can see aaron gordon becoming available for a proper wing.

So....


Hayward to Orlando - Orlando get a wing that can run the show, set players up and take over games.
(Out Gordon amd Mozgov)

Nop gets Gordon, Tatum, Mozgov and LAC pick, Boston Pick 2019 and 2021 - Pels add 2 young guys to build around with Holiday. Picks and players locked up. Mozgov a large expiring (out is Davis and Moore)

Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Boston lets the wing be defenders and will count on defemse/playmaking from the trio of Smart, Brown and Horford. 3 guys who have shown they can fut in a lesser role. Irving and Davis are the studs of the team.

The Memphis and sacramento picks stay with Boston for the bench
Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2140 on: March 16, 2019, 01:24:38 PM »

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Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.
Hayward was the same injury. And he is farther behind because he had a second clean up. Also he is coming back to a stacked team harder to get minutes on it.
My point on Tatum doesn't prove your point it's about other guys now featured. If we were going through Tatum like we did last season's end he would be doing as good or better. Irving requires the ball. Hayward needs minutes.

You can't asume a guy who asks to go to LA will accept he will stay in Boston. Completely different cities.

And lol, go look at the PG trade if you think they are comparable. Oli, and Sabonis were mediocre at best for their careers and prospects going foward. Oli blew up which no one predicted after the trade and Sabonis is still just mediocre to this day. No one on Hayward's or Tatum's level or exuse me, three first.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2141 on: March 16, 2019, 02:50:10 PM »

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Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.
Hayward was the same injury. And he is farther behind because he had a second clean up. Also he is coming back to a stacked team harder to get minutes on it.
My point on Tatum doesn't prove your point it's about other guys now featured. If we were going through Tatum like we did last season's end he would be doing as good or better. Irving requires the ball. Hayward needs minutes.

You can't asume a guy who asks to go to LA will accept he will stay in Boston. Completely different cities.

And lol, go look at the PG trade if you think they are comparable. Oli, and Sabonis were mediocre at best for their careers and prospects going foward. Oli blew up which no one predicted after the trade and Sabonis is still just mediocre to this day. No one on Hayward's or Tatum's level or exuse me, three first.

Ok so it was argued that Hayward injury was worse than Georges and you are arguing that haywards injury was worse.

It was argued that tatum might not hit top 10 level of a player on the celtics because of the talent on the celtics and you argued that tatum isnt looking as good because of other players on the celtics.

And lastly you debate about trade values. I see Hayward as what he currently is...which is sabonis level impact. And Tatum has a slightly better producer and is younger than what dipo was 3 years ago in OKC.

But Davis is a top 3 player and george, when traded was top 15 arguably top 10

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2142 on: March 16, 2019, 03:14:59 PM »

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Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.
Hayward was the same injury. And he is farther behind because he had a second clean up. Also he is coming back to a stacked team harder to get minutes on it.
My point on Tatum doesn't prove your point it's about other guys now featured. If we were going through Tatum like we did last season's end he would be doing as good or better. Irving requires the ball. Hayward needs minutes.

You can't asume a guy who asks to go to LA will accept he will stay in Boston. Completely different cities.

And lol, go look at the PG trade if you think they are comparable. Oli, and Sabonis were mediocre at best for their careers and prospects going foward. Oli blew up which no one predicted after the trade and Sabonis is still just mediocre to this day. No one on Hayward's or Tatum's level or exuse me, three first.

Ok so it was argued that Hayward injury was worse than Georges and you are arguing that haywards injury was worse.

It was argued that tatum might not hit top 10 level of a player on the celtics because of the talent on the celtics and you argued that tatum isnt looking as good because of other players on the celtics.

And lastly you debate about trade values. I see Hayward as what he currently is...which is sabonis level impact. And Tatum has a slightly better producer and is younger than what dipo was 3 years ago in OKC.

But Davis is a top 3 player and george, when traded was top 15 arguably top 10
I didnt say it was worse, do you even know what he had done? All it did was set back time. The deal is not even close you seriously reaching and it's laughable.

As for Davis being a better player. He is better but PG was more accomplished and is considered a bigger need around the league because the way the game is played today. Lets also not forget Cousins was having more success when Davis was out for the Pelicans than Davis had when Cousins was out so there is a question on how good Davis' impact is. The C's are stacked at the wing so you don't see the drought at that position that teams have. Fans take a talent like Tatum foregranted. But you need a PG, Tatum, KD, LeBron, Gianis, ect to compete in today's game. PFs are less impactful.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
« Reply #2143 on: March 16, 2019, 03:22:53 PM »

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Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.
Hayward was the same injury. And he is farther behind because he had a second clean up. Also he is coming back to a stacked team harder to get minutes on it.
My point on Tatum doesn't prove your point it's about other guys now featured. If we were going through Tatum like we did last season's end he would be doing as good or better. Irving requires the ball. Hayward needs minutes.

You can't asume a guy who asks to go to LA will accept he will stay in Boston. Completely different cities.

And lol, go look at the PG trade if you think they are comparable. Oli, and Sabonis were mediocre at best for their careers and prospects going foward. Oli blew up which no one predicted after the trade and Sabonis is still just mediocre to this day. No one on Hayward's or Tatum's level or exuse me, three first.

Ok so it was argued that Hayward injury was worse than Georges and you are arguing that haywards injury was worse.

It was argued that tatum might not hit top 10 level of a player on the celtics because of the talent on the celtics and you argued that tatum isnt looking as good because of other players on the celtics.

And lastly you debate about trade values. I see Hayward as what he currently is...which is sabonis level impact. And Tatum has a slightly better producer and is younger than what dipo was 3 years ago in OKC.

But Davis is a top 3 player and george, when traded was top 15 arguably top 10
I didnt say it was worse, do you even know what he had done? All it did was set back time. The deal is not even close you seriously reaching and it's laughable.

As for Davis being a better player. He is better but PG was more accomplished and is considered a bigger need around the league because the way the game is played today. Lets also not forget Cousins was having more success when Davis was out for the Pelicans than Davis had when Cousins was out so there is a question on how good Davis' impact is. The C's are stacked at the wing so you don't see the drought at that position that teams have. Fans take a talent like Tatum foregranted. But you need a PG, Tatum, KD, LeBron, Gianis, ect to compete in today's game. PFs are less impactful.

Well for the first part tou disagree but do nothing to support you claim other that just a blanket statement that I am to accept. So let just drop that part

On Davis' impact in comparison to Georges. Indy seems ok without george too over a much larger sample size than NOP without cousins.

And pretty sure Davis was dominate in the playoffs without cousins.

Re: Anthony Davis trade thread(Davis trade request page 33)
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Boston trades Hayward, Tatum, LAC pick and Boston 2019 pick and Boston 2021 pick and get Davis and Moore.

Not a chance Pelicans get that much for Davis.

People are forgetting it's up to the team trading for Davis to get him to stay or else he is a rental player. You don't trade a top 10 potential player for a rental let alone two first and a former all star still in his prime. Please refer to past deals of PG, Leonard, and others in the top 10 the teams didn't get what you are offering.

Hayward may never return to form.
And value is not based on what he was 3 years ago. Its on the now and his percieved future value.

All we know is right now he is a 30plus mill per year slightly below average performer. You would be dealing him on potential.

And while Tatum may have top 10 potential...maybe...that luster has lost a little sheen this season. And I am not sure he hits the top 10 potential playing in a boston with all the talent here ahead of him.
First off PG had the same injury two years later he is having his best season and in the MVP conversation so why not believe Hayward will recover? Also Tatum hasn't lost sheen, what you forget is last season he finished strong because he was the head guy this season he isnt and that isnt due to his play but the return of Hayward and Irving. Also you still dont address my big points the potential Davis being a rental or the fact other top ten guys went for less than you want to give.

Hayward and gordons injuries were very different and George was showing much better far sooner than Hayward has.

Your point on tatum has proven my point. Tatum has looked regressed and has been down in all statistical categories despite opportunity for improved efficiency with players back. And like I stated and you supported....tatum may have top 10 potential but I doubt he hits it here with all the assets the team has.

And in regards to Davis possibly being a rental. If he is on a team with Irving, hayward, Smart, Brown winning tonnes of games he will not leave.

George was traded for a similar package.
Hayward was the same injury. And he is farther behind because he had a second clean up. Also he is coming back to a stacked team harder to get minutes on it.
My point on Tatum doesn't prove your point it's about other guys now featured. If we were going through Tatum like we did last season's end he would be doing as good or better. Irving requires the ball. Hayward needs minutes.

You can't asume a guy who asks to go to LA will accept he will stay in Boston. Completely different cities.

And lol, go look at the PG trade if you think they are comparable. Oli, and Sabonis were mediocre at best for their careers and prospects going foward. Oli blew up which no one predicted after the trade and Sabonis is still just mediocre to this day. No one on Hayward's or Tatum's level or exuse me, three first.

Ok so it was argued that Hayward injury was worse than Georges and you are arguing that haywards injury was worse.

It was argued that tatum might not hit top 10 level of a player on the celtics because of the talent on the celtics and you argued that tatum isnt looking as good because of other players on the celtics.

And lastly you debate about trade values. I see Hayward as what he currently is...which is sabonis level impact. And Tatum has a slightly better producer and is younger than what dipo was 3 years ago in OKC.

But Davis is a top 3 player and george, when traded was top 15 arguably top 10
I didnt say it was worse, do you even know what he had done? All it did was set back time. The deal is not even close you seriously reaching and it's laughable.

As for Davis being a better player. He is better but PG was more accomplished and is considered a bigger need around the league because the way the game is played today. Lets also not forget Cousins was having more success when Davis was out for the Pelicans than Davis had when Cousins was out so there is a question on how good Davis' impact is. The C's are stacked at the wing so you don't see the drought at that position that teams have. Fans take a talent like Tatum foregranted. But you need a PG, Tatum, KD, LeBron, Gianis, ect to compete in today's game. PFs are less impactful.

Well for the first part tou disagree but do nothing to support you claim other that just a blanket statement that I am to accept. So let just drop that part

On Davis' impact in comparison to Georges. Indy seems ok without george too over a much larger sample size than NOP without cousins.

And pretty sure Davis was dominate in the playoffs without cousins.
A blank statement was all that ridiculousness warranted.

And again all you do is reach. Let me know when the Pacers even look like a ECF participant like they did with PG or if Davis impact equals actual wins for his team.