All Aboard the Rozier Train...I guess

[gpap]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

Good to know. All this cap stuff confuses me.

Well, if the Celts could find a way to free up $29 million even if we keep our 3 picks, that should be something Ainge should at least consider.

I mean, if we still have Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Baynes, R.Williams, Yabusele, Ojeleye and our 4 picks including our 2nd rounder, that's 12 guys right there.

Then with the $29 million freed up, you can either make a really strong offer to a really good free agent (D'Angelo Russell, Tobias Harris) or split it into 2 different offers for 2 different players (guys like Cousins, Danny Green, Deandre Jordan, etc.)

Just spit balling ideas, I guess.

[Fierce1]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

My scenario will not happen if the Celts plan on keeping Horford.

But if the Celts let Hoford go, my scenario is possible.

Also, if need be, removing Yabu and Ojeleye will open up more cap space.

What I'm thinking is signing a 23-year old All-Star PG in D-Lo is more important than keeping a 33-year old Horford.

It just doesn't make sense to prolong the agony by keeping Horford.

Ainge's plan backfired and it's time to accept reality.

[Fierce1]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

Good to know. All this cap stuff confuses me.

Well, if the Celts could find a way to free up $29 million even if we keep our 3 picks, that should be something Ainge should at least consider.

I mean, if we still have Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Baynes, R.Williams, Yabusele, Ojeleye and our 4 picks including our 2nd rounder, that's 12 guys right there.

Then with the $29 million freed up, you can either make a really strong offer to a really good free agent (D'Angelo Russell, Tobias Harris) or split it into 2 different offers for 2 different players (guys like Cousins, Danny Green, Deandre Jordan, etc.)

Just spit balling ideas, I guess.

That's what I'm saying.

Making a move now is better than keeping Horford when the championship window has closed for the Celts.

[jambr380]

The easiest way to get Russell - if that's what people want - is to S&T with BKN. Russell has already said he has a desire to play here - there has to be some level of assets/picks that they would accept in order to facilitate a trade since their only other option is letting him walk for nothing. Then you can keep Al, Morris, Rozier, whatever - no renouncing necessary.

Anyway, this idea has now changed a bit. Tatum/JB/Smart will all likely be here next year. You are now relegating Smart to the bench to make Terry happy. I imagine if I asked the question again, the poll results would lean more towards 'no'. Rozier made all the sense in the world if we were trading our backcourt for AD, but that is clearly not the case anymore.

[gpap]

The easiest way to get Russell - if that's what people want - is to S&T with BKN. Russell has already said he has a desire to play here - there has to be some level of assets/picks that they would accept in order to facilitate a trade since their only other option is letting him walk for nothing. Then you can keep Al, Morris, Rozier, whatever - no renouncing necessary.

Anyway, this idea has now changed a bit. Tatum/JB/Smart will all likely be here next year. You are now relegating Smart to the bench to make Terry happy. I imagine if I asked the question again, the poll results would lean more towards 'no'. Rozier made all the sense in the world if we were trading our backcourt for AD, but that is clearly not the case anymore.

Have not heard him say that, but will take your word for it.

[gpap]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

Good to know. All this cap stuff confuses me.

Well, if the Celts could find a way to free up $29 million even if we keep our 3 picks, that should be something Ainge should at least consider.

I mean, if we still have Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Baynes, R.Williams, Yabusele, Ojeleye and our 4 picks including our 2nd rounder, that's 12 guys right there.

Then with the $29 million freed up, you can either make a really strong offer to a really good free agent (D'Angelo Russell, Tobias Harris) or split it into 2 different offers for 2 different players (guys like Cousins, Danny Green, Deandre Jordan, etc.)

Just spit balling ideas, I guess.

That's what I'm saying.

Making a move now is better than keeping Horford when the championship window has closed for the Celts.

I think we're on the same page, minus windows closing. Unless you just closed the window in your kitchen.

[Ogaju]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

Good to know. All this cap stuff confuses me.

Well, if the Celts could find a way to free up $29 million even if we keep our 3 picks, that should be something Ainge should at least consider.

I mean, if we still have Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Baynes, R.Williams, Yabusele, Ojeleye and our 4 picks including our 2nd rounder, that's 12 guys right there.

Then with the $29 million freed up, you can either make a really strong offer to a really good free agent (D'Angelo Russell, Tobias Harris) or split it into 2 different offers for 2 different players (guys like Cousins, Danny Green, Deandre Jordan, etc.)

Just spit balling ideas, I guess.

That's what I'm saying.

Making a move now is better than keeping Horford when the championship window has closed for the Celts.

I think we're on the same page, minus windows closing. Unless you just closed the window in your kitchen.

Just curious here, why did you use his kitchen window as your example

[gpap]

Why settle for Rozier if getting D'Angelo Russell is possible?

It's not really possible barring a S&T though.

And D-Lo is just a poor mans Kyrie. Would rather just run it young

Why is it not possible?

If Horford opts out, that's 30.1m off the payroll.

Once Kyrie leaves, that's another 21.3m.

Celts payroll without Kyrie and Horford will just be around 65m.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

I'd rather keep Horford

Horford can restructure his deal if he opts out.

That way the Celts can use the cap then re-sign Horford to a more team friendly deal.

Cap doesn't work that way. Once Horford opts out a cap hold is put in place that is higher than his last year's salary. So you would need to renounce Horford to sign Russell. Then once Russell signs and uses up that cap space, all you have to offer Horford is a full MLE.

That would mean trying to convince Horford to opt out to sign a three year MLE deal that would be as much as the money he would make next year alone on his current contract. That will never happen

Without the contracts of Kyrie and Horford, the Celts just have around 65m in total salaries.
The salary cap for next season is 109m.

So there's enough wiggle room to make it happen.

Ainge can always trade 3 picks for 1.

But if it's too complicated then just renounce Horford.

Celts are not close to becoming a contender anyway.

Right now Horford is not a priority.

You have your numbers wrong. Maybe you are forgetting that Baynes opted in with assurances he would not be traded. So let's look at actual numbers:

Total salary after Kyrie and Horford walk would be $71.8 million. Then you have cap holds for the three draft picks and an empty roster slot. That's slightly over $8 million. So let's call salary and holds total $80 million. You would then need to renounce Kyrie, Horford, Rozier, Theis, Wanamaker and Morris to clear open $29 million in cap space.

If you then use that cap space all you have is the room exception to offer Horford to re-sign.

Your scenario will not happen.

Good to know. All this cap stuff confuses me.

Well, if the Celts could find a way to free up $29 million even if we keep our 3 picks, that should be something Ainge should at least consider.

I mean, if we still have Smart, Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Baynes, R.Williams, Yabusele, Ojeleye and our 4 picks including our 2nd rounder, that's 12 guys right there.

Then with the $29 million freed up, you can either make a really strong offer to a really good free agent (D'Angelo Russell, Tobias Harris) or split it into 2 different offers for 2 different players (guys like Cousins, Danny Green, Deandre Jordan, etc.)

Just spit balling ideas, I guess.

That's what I'm saying.

Making a move now is better than keeping Horford when the championship window has closed for the Celts.

I think we're on the same page, minus windows closing. Unless you just closed the window in your kitchen.

Just curious here, why did you use his kitvhen window as your example

I'm in the window business. I work for the Andersen Corporation. Lol...I don't know. Just being silly because of all this talk about our "window being closed."

[Ogaju]

lol

[jambr380]

The easiest way to get Russell - if that's what people want - is to S&T with BKN. Russell has already said he has a desire to play here - there has to be some level of assets/picks that they would accept in order to facilitate a trade since their only other option is letting him walk for nothing. Then you can keep Al, Morris, Rozier, whatever - no renouncing necessary.

Anyway, this idea has now changed a bit. Tatum/JB/Smart will all likely be here next year. You are now relegating Smart to the bench to make Terry happy. I imagine if I asked the question again, the poll results would lean more towards 'no'. Rozier made all the sense in the world if we were trading our backcourt for AD, but that is clearly not the case anymore.

Have not heard him say that, but will take your word for it.

Just so you don't think I'm crazy, but I can't say it has been confirmed at all. I probably shouldn't have made such a bold statement:

idk this “source” but figured i’d put it here just in case

**UPDATED NBA RUMORS**
Source:  D’Angelo Russell has interest in playing for Boston Celtics or NY Knicks if Kyrie Irving signs with Nets.. no word yet if those teams have mutual feeling #NBAFreeAgency

https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1139732225967251456?s=21

[Fierce1]

I really don't know how true it is, that D-Lo is interested in Boston, but it makes sense for both the Celts and D-Lo.

Tatum is 21 years old, Jaylen is 22 years old, and D-Lo is 23 years old.

It would be a nice young and exciting core.

[gpap]

The easiest way to get Russell - if that's what people want - is to S&T with BKN. Russell has already said he has a desire to play here - there has to be some level of assets/picks that they would accept in order to facilitate a trade since their only other option is letting him walk for nothing. Then you can keep Al, Morris, Rozier, whatever - no renouncing necessary.

Anyway, this idea has now changed a bit. Tatum/JB/Smart will all likely be here next year. You are now relegating Smart to the bench to make Terry happy. I imagine if I asked the question again, the poll results would lean more towards 'no'. Rozier made all the sense in the world if we were trading our backcourt for AD, but that is clearly not the case anymore.

Have not heard him say that, but will take your word for it.

Just so you don't think I'm crazy, but I can't say it has been confirmed at all. I probably shouldn't have made such a bold statement:

idk this “source” but figured i’d put it here just in case

**UPDATED NBA RUMORS**
Source:  D’Angelo Russell has interest in playing for Boston Celtics or NY Knicks if Kyrie Irving signs with Nets.. no word yet if those teams have mutual feeling #NBAFreeAgency

https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1139732225967251456?s=21

If Russell had interest in Boston, not sure why it wouldn't be mutual on Ainge's part? If I had to choose between Russell or Rozier, I take Russell in a heartbeat. Probably safe to say Kyrie is gone.

[gpap]

I really don't know how true it is, that D-Lo is interested in Boston, but it makes sense for both the Celts and D-Lo.

Tatum is 21 years old, Jaylen is 22 years old, and D-Lo is 23 years old.

It would be a nice young and exciting core.

I agree. I think D-Lo and the Celts are a good fit.

[PAOBoston]

The easiest way to get Russell - if that's what people want - is to S&T with BKN. Russell has already said he has a desire to play here - there has to be some level of assets/picks that they would accept in order to facilitate a trade since their only other option is letting him walk for nothing. Then you can keep Al, Morris, Rozier, whatever - no renouncing necessary.

Anyway, this idea has now changed a bit. Tatum/JB/Smart will all likely be here next year. You are now relegating Smart to the bench to make Terry happy. I imagine if I asked the question again, the poll results would lean more towards 'no'. Rozier made all the sense in the world if we were trading our backcourt for AD, but that is clearly not the case anymore.

Have not heard him say that, but will take your word for it.

Just so you don't think I'm crazy, but I can't say it has been confirmed at all. I probably shouldn't have made such a bold statement:

idk this “source” but figured i’d put it here just in case

**UPDATED NBA RUMORS**
Source:  D’Angelo Russell has interest in playing for Boston Celtics or NY Knicks if Kyrie Irving signs with Nets.. no word yet if those teams have mutual feeling #NBAFreeAgency

https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/1139732225967251456?s=21

If Russell had interest in Boston, not sure why it wouldn't be mutual on Ainge's part? If I had to choose between Russell or Rozier, I take Russell in a heartbeat. Probably safe to say Kyrie is gone.

Problem is it is almost impossible to do a double S&T (not including all the other cap implications that go with it). Only way I see it even remotely possible is if the Cs renounce all possible FAs and Horford opts out.

[jambr380]

Problem is it is almost impossible to do a double S&T (not including all the other cap implications that go with it). Only way I see it even remotely possible is if the Cs renounce all possible FAs and Horford opts out.

It's been mentioned a few times on this site in recent days, but Kyrie would count as $20.1M in outgoing salary and Russell would count for $27.5M. We would just need to include Yabu and some draft compensation and we should be good to go. Since the Nets are well below the cap, it wouldn't be an issue for them.

If the Nets aren't going to match a max contract for Russell (as reported), it would be make sense for them to do a S&T with us because they are just going to lose him for nothing, otherwise.