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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 11, 2017, 11:42:24 AM
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I thought it'd be fun to have bragging rights if you predicted the right date of Hayward's return. I know he's "out for the year," but there are ongoing rumblings that it could be sooner. This is documented in this ringer article part-way down.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/11/16761426/nba-donovan-mitchell-rookie-of-the-year-jamal-murray-gordon-hayward
I'm interested to see what everyone thinks. Poll is added.
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I went with 4/6 vs the Bulls. If he does indeed come back, I am fairly confident it would be a home game. Other than that, complete guess. Hopefully any of the choices but the last one!
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I feel for Hayward right now man. We are obviously all really excited for his return. I'm sure his med care is the very best too. But that was a major trauma to his body. My similar injury right now has caused me to need an average of ~ 18 hours of sleep per day, if that's any indicator. Absolutely miserable QOL. I'm sure others have had similar injuries--interested to know if their experiences were similar, or if my body just plain sucks.
: Edit: Sorry for the bleak, narcissistic post.
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Does Hayward have to be on the roster by a certain date, in order to be eligible to play in the playoffs?
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I voted earlier in the march.
Call me an optimist - guilty!
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i figure if he comes back, it'll be early April at home and likely against the Bulls where he has that game and the next one against Atlanta to try to shake off some of the rust against teams the C's should be able to beat handily so he can have some run to see what he can do going forward.
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Here's my line of thinking.
1. It will be home to build energy and momentum.
2. It will not be a nationally televised game, to avoid unneeded pressure.
3. It can't be in the last two weeks of the season, because he can't get into game shape before playoffs, and that would hurt our chances of firing on all cylinders in the first round.
I went with the home game that most closely fit the 5 month time frame that CBS accidentally let slip.
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I feel for Hayward right now man. We are obviously all really excited for his return. I'm sure his med care is the very best too. But that was a major trauma to his body. My similar injury right now has caused me to need an average of ~ 18 hours of sleep per day, if that's any indicator. Absolutely miserable QOL. I'm sure others have had similar injuries--interested to know if their experiences were similar, or if my body just plain sucks.
: Edit: Sorry for the bleak, narcissistic post.
Nah man, injuries suck and depression is a real risk of a) not being physically able to do what you want and b) being in pain/sleeping a ton.
No worries for the post. I think you're right. We need to slow our roll when it comes to Hayward's recovering in time to play in the playoffs.
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The Cs are built for the long run absolutely no reason to bring Hayward back this season.
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I went with 4/6 vs the Bulls. If he does indeed come back, I am fairly confident it would be a home game. Other than that, complete guess. Hopefully any of the choices but the last one!
This date seems to check all boxes:
Home game against a bad team near the end of the season (but before the playoffs). I am surprised to see so many people who think he won't be back until next season. Even Hayward himself recently alluded to the fact that he would like nothing more than to be back this spring. Waiting until next season would absolutely kill a competitor like Hayward - that seems like an absolute worst case scenario at this point.
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It seems like if you read between the lines they are really trying to not have any expectations, but Hayward is doing things super aggressively with the hope he will be back. i would honestly be surprised if he didn't make it back in some limited capacity for the playoffs. We also probably could really slowly work him in because of how good are record is. If the season ended today we would play the Knicks in the first round and I really don't think we would need him for a series like that. So second round of the playoffs is still a long way off.
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It seems like if you read between the lines they are really trying to not have any expectations, but Hayward is doing things super aggressively with the hope he will be back. i would honestly be surprised if he didn't make it back in some limited capacity for the playoffs. We also probably could really slowly work him in because of how good are record is. If the season ended today we would play the Knicks in the first round and I really don't think we would need him for a series like that. So second round of the playoffs is still a long way off.
If the season ended today he’d be playing in a walking boot ;) Better to save him for the second round when he can take the boot off at times :)
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October 2018
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Embrace the villain role! 3/28 @ Utah!!!
My brain says October 2018, my heart says 3/23 (him and Kyrie's shared birthday).
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"soon"
-ainge on KGs return from knee
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the day after I predicted 3/20 so I am sticking with that. I put it at about 95% chance he comes back this year without a set back.
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the day after I predicted 3/20 so I am sticking with that. I put it at about 95% chance he comes back this year without a set back.
I agree with the percentage. It would be at this point pretty surprising if be doesn't come back with all the great news so far
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We will see him next year.
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At the rate he is going , I can see him itching to get back on the court by early April.. he is practicing hard . Whether , the staff lets him play this year is an whole other matter . Im 50-50 on that.
By playoffs , could he play looks like probably. Will they let him ....thats another matter.
He looks good or amazing on TV last night walking with out the boot. when you remember what happened.
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October '18
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We will see him next year.
Yeah, I agree that he isn’t going to make his return in the next theee weeks.
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I will be interesting to see what pressure there will be to bring him back in case of another major injury. OK you can shoot me now for spreading back luck. :o :-\
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I voted October 2018..there's no need to risk him getting hurt again if he's not 110%..let him heal completely
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Round 1 of the playoffs, and only if he was cleared weeks before. No reason to risk Hayward playing as a playoff team without him. If he's practicing with the team for a month with no setbacks, whoch wouldnt be til mis March on a good time table, there is no reason to risk it, unless he clearly is healthy and able to help the team advance.
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Ready for playoffs, but he's back few games before. If he's ready, that means no place for fear of coming back to early. After all, there's always certain risk, even for healthy players. We need GH against Cavs. With him we will run them over like a shallow creek.
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I am more optimistic now then I was about a month ago. Since there was no ligament/tendon damage I wouldn't doubt a return sometime in March (about 3 months from now). Barring injury to some of our key contributors, I think GH would push to come back. Why else is he rehabbing so hard, to come back in 9 months for training camp? I don't think so.
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I am more optimistic now then I was about a month ago. Since there was no ligament/tendon damage I wouldn't doubt a return sometime in March (about 3 months from now). Barring injury to some of our key contributors, I think GH would push to come back. Why else is he rehabbing so hard, to come back in 9 months for training camp? I don't think so.
I am more optimistic as well, but I don't think that he will be back this season. No ligament/tendon damage? I find it hard to believe that there's not just a little connective tissue damage.
I think he's pressing for the team's sake. It shows a sense of urgency to the healthy guys. Regardless of how hard he works in his rehab, the body still needs time to recover. None of us really know the extent of the injury, so I'm sure the doctors/PT's will properly advise him (I hope).
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4/6 vs. Chicago. Ease him in a bit against a bad Bulls team to start.
I think even if he returns in April, he'll only be coming off the bench, but that's not a bad thing one bit. I mean, can you imagine a potential 2nd unit with Hayward/Morris/Smart/Rozier/DPE. DPE hopefully being a depth scorer.
And maybe have Hayward play 15-18 minutes/game, but while having him off the bench, ALSO let him maybe play the final 2-3 minutes of games with the "closing lineup" ;D
Could be huge for us in the playoffs as the "secret weapon" off the bench.
And I'm just going off by the most recent reports, which seem optimistic, and the fact that Ainge hasn't entirely ruled Hayward out for the season at least shows there's a window of hope, even if small.
I mean, if it was clear there was no chance he was going to come back, they would have officially ruled him out. All Brad Stevens has said is "they don't anticipate it", but not "it's a given". Again, it's a small chance, but I'm going to be optimistic and say he's back, mostly healthy, by early-mid April.
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I am more optimistic now then I was about a month ago. Since there was no ligament/tendon damage I wouldn't doubt a return sometime in March (about 3 months from now). Barring injury to some of our key contributors, I think GH would push to come back. Why else is he rehabbing so hard, to come back in 9 months for training camp? I don't think so.
I am more optimistic as well, but I don't think that he will be back this season. No ligament/tendon damage? I find it hard to believe that there's not just a little connective tissue damage.
I think he's pressing for the team's sake. It shows a sense of urgency to the healthy guys. Regardless of how hard he works in his rehab, the body still needs time to recover. None of us really know the extent of the injury, so I'm sure the doctors/PT's will properly advise him (I hope).
Yes, he probably is pressing and the body needs time to recover but let's not also forget that he is only 27 years old....27! This is for a broken bone so it's not really the same as a sprained ankle or knee but a young body like his recovers MUCH faster from rehab than someone in their mid-30's with previous injury history. Like I said, I didn't think he'd be back, just from Paul George's experience, but now I've changed my mind.
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So far we've heard his agent say its unlikely he returns, Hayward himself say its unlikely he plays this season. The Celtics submitted the DPE meaning at that time at least they thought a return was unlikely. The leak granted said DPE so they thought it was unlikely he'd be back. Now maybe he ends up coming back this year anyway, but everyone who seems to know anything seems to think its unlikely. So i went Oct 18'
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Whenever it is, I hope we don't rush his return. Because obviously him being out doesn't affect our winning ways. If fully healthy, I'd prefer he make his comeback at home, so he can feel the love from the fans and preferably against a weaker team so he can get back into the flow without a lot of pressure.
The selfish part of me would want him back sooner rather than later though. Late March or Mid April?
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So far we've heard his agent say its unlikely he returns, Hayward himself say its unlikely he plays this season. The Celtics submitted the DPE meaning at that time at least they thought a return was unlikely. The leak granted said DPE so they thought it was unlikely he'd be back. Now maybe he ends up coming back this year anyway, but everyone who seems to know anything seems to think its unlikely. So i went Oct 18'
usually with such significant injury. They would straight up say no chance this season. The fact that they give even a little chance is Telling
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the most recent hayward interviews, he isnt ruling out a return this season, and even saying that is his goal. I think it will happen...
the C's are smart to keep it murky. They dont want to rush a player back too early, but if hayward is ready he will be back.
I can imagine after the big move this past summer, seeing his team succeed and struggle, and the gruesome injury all hayward wants to do is get back on that court this season.
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So far we've heard his agent say its unlikely he returns, Hayward himself say its unlikely he plays this season. The Celtics submitted the DPE meaning at that time at least they thought a return was unlikely. The leak granted said DPE so they thought it was unlikely he'd be back. Now maybe he ends up coming back this year anyway, but everyone who seems to know anything seems to think its unlikely. So i went Oct 18'
usually with such significant injury. They would straight up say no chance this season. The fact that they give even a little chance is Telling
Ya there's always a chance. But if i was a betting man I'd still say next year was the most likely bet. I will say the odds of it happening this year seem to have improved somewhat.