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Re: The Jays >
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2022, 04:46:32 PM »

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Love the graphic, besides the error in which year Shaq & Kobe did that.
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PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2022, 05:27:49 PM »

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Well that pretty clearly isn't in NBA history.  I mean in 62, Wilt alone averaged 50.4.  Arizin that year averaged 21.9.  So that is a combined scoring duo of 72.3 ppg.  In 61, Wilt was 38.4 and Arizin was 23.2 and in 60 they were 37.6 and 22.3.  Arizin left Wilt, but the following year in 63 he averaged 44.8 and Meschery was at 16.0.  The next year in 64, those 2 were 36.9 and 13.5.  In Philly, Wilt and Greer were also above any of those in 66. 

And it wasn't just Wilt in the 60's.  Oscar and Twyman were at 55.8 in Oscar's rookie year in 61 and followed that up at 53.7 in 62.  And the Warriors after Wilt left had Barry at 35.6 and Thurmond at 18.7 in 67.

Baylor and West had a whole bunch of years as well starting in West's rookie year (also 61), when they combined for 52.4, then 69.1 in 62 when Baylor was at 38.3 and West was at 30.8, 61.1 in 62 (34 and 27.1), in 64 went for 25.4 and 28.7 (54.1), and then 58.1 in 65 (55.3 in 67, 52.3 in 68).  Wilt joined the team and in 70, West went for 31.2 and Baylor was 24.  In Wilt's 13 games he was 27.3. 

It wasn't just the 60's.  The early 70's Bucks also had numbers there, for example in 72, Kareem averaged 34.8 and Dandridge averaged 18.4 so 53.2 combined.  McAdoo and Smith combined for 52.3 in 75 and followed that up with 52.9 in 76.

Surely it must have stopped in the 70's, nope.  Gervin and Kenon averaged 53.2 in 80 and Kenon wasn't good enough for Gervin so in 82, he teamed up with Mitchell for a combined 53.3.  Dantley and Griffith 52.9 in 83 for the Jazz though Dantley was only like 20 games, so I'm not sure I'd count that one.

But wait their is more, in 2019, James Harden averaged 36.1 and his top running mate was Clint Capela at 16.6, you know what that equals 52.7 (or good enough for that list), but here is the prize, in 2020 James Harden averaged 34.3 his top running mate, Russell Westbrook with a meager 27.2 for a combined total of 61.5, the highest total since the 60's.  Westbrook followed that season up joining Beal in Washington where they combined for 53.5 ppg. 

Tatum and Brown have had a fantastic season thus far, but that graffic is complete and utter garbage.
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Re: The Jays >
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2022, 05:32:53 PM »

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Well that pretty clearly isn't in NBA history.  I mean in 62, Wilt alone averaged 50.4.  Arizin that year averaged 21.9.  So that is a combined scoring duo of 72.3 ppg.  In 61, Wilt was 38.4 and Arizin was 23.2 and in 60 they were 37.6 and 22.3.  Arizin left Wilt, but the following year in 63 he averaged 44.8 and Meschery was at 16.0.  The next year in 64, those 2 were 36.9 and 13.5.  In Philly, Wilt and Greer were also above any of those in 66. 

And it wasn't just Wilt in the 60's.  Oscar and Twyman were at 55.8 in Oscar's rookie year in 61 and followed that up at 53.7 in 62.  And the Warriors after Wilt left had Barry at 35.6 and Thurmond at 18.7 in 67.

Baylor and West had a whole bunch of years as well starting in West's rookie year (also 61), when they combined for 52.4, then 69.1 in 62 when Baylor was at 38.3 and West was at 30.8, 61.1 in 62 (34 and 27.1), in 64 went for 25.4 and 28.7 (54.1), and then 58.1 in 65 (55.3 in 67, 52.3 in 68).  Wilt joined the team and in 70, West went for 31.2 and Baylor was 24.  In Wilt's 13 games he was 27.3. 

It wasn't just the 60's.  The early 70's Bucks also had numbers there, for example in 72, Kareem averaged 34.8 and Dandridge averaged 18.4 so 53.2 combined.  McAdoo and Smith combined for 52.3 in 75 and followed that up with 52.9 in 76.

Surely it must have stopped in the 70's, nope.  Gervin and Kenon averaged 53.2 in 80 and Kenon wasn't good enough for Gervin so in 82, he teamed up with Mitchell for a combined 53.3.  Dantley and Griffith 52.9 in 83 for the Jazz though Dantley was only like 20 games, so I'm not sure I'd count that one.

But wait their is more, in 2019, James Harden averaged 36.1 and his top running mate was Clint Capela at 16.6, you know what that equals 52.7 (or good enough for that list), but here is the prize, in 2020 James Harden averaged 34.3 his top running mate, Russell Westbrook with a meager 27.2 for a combined total of 61.5, the highest total since the 60's.  Westbrook followed that season up joining Beal in Washington where they combined for 53.5 ppg. 

Tatum and Brown have had a fantastic season thus far, but that graffic is complete and utter garbage.
Title winning duos? Not necessarily in the year listed, but all of those duos won rings.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: The Jays >
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2022, 05:41:09 PM »

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The graffic doesn't say that though and Tatum and Brown haven't won title
2023 Historical Draft - Brooklyn Nets - 9th pick

Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

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« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2022, 08:03:23 PM »

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The graffic doesn't say that though and Tatum and Brown haven't won title
Correct. The comparison being with title-winning duos doesn't necessarily need to say it. I also think LeBron and Wade will mean a bit more to people than Wilt and Arizin.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

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« Reply #20 on: December 14, 2022, 10:04:58 PM »

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The graffic doesn't say that though and Tatum and Brown haven't won title
Correct. The comparison being with title-winning duos doesn't necessarily need to say it. I also think LeBron and Wade will mean a bit more to people than Wilt and Arizin.
well yeah, but Harden and Westbrook did it a couple of years ago at over 60 a game combined. 

Also, Bird and McHale didn't win the title in 87.  Obviously they had won 3 titles together at that point, but they didn't actually win the title that season. 

Great season so far from Tatum and Brown, but that graphic was just wrong on so many levels. 
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Bigs - Pau, Amar'e, Issel, McGinnis, Roundfield
Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2023, 09:49:29 PM »

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Re: The Jays >
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2023, 12:08:01 AM »

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Pretty amazing. This is what was supposed to happen with those Nets picks. Sky is the limit minus any flat earth nonsense.

TP, Well said.
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