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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CelticsElite on November 14, 2017, 10:26:25 PM
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His way of playing reminds me of ainge when he played
Nbadraft profile: http://www.nbadraft.net/players/grayson-allen
Highlights from this season: https://youtu.be/0YI1pGqLWJI
Draftexpress pre-season scouting: https://youtu.be/771_VNAHTGQ
Strengths: https://youtu.be/sfF19IChkuk
Weaknesses: https://youtu.be/cNte0i2blys
The Boston #Celtics “Loved” what they saw from Duke Grayson Allen in his pre draft workout.
Danny Ainge on Allen: “When you watch him play, you see this fluidity and smoothness that not to many players have. His character is exactly what we want here.
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
true but the pickings are slim in the late 1st. I guess we could learn towards a project big
If smart is not on the team anymore, he’d get minutes
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
If we keep Smart over Rozier, he could replace some of Rozier's scoring.
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
true but the pickings are slim in the late 1st. I guess we could learn towards a project big
If smart is not on the team anymore, he’d get minutes
I’m hoping for a draft-and-stash big. Even someone who needs 2-3 more years before coming over. Allen at best would be our #3 PG for his first two seasons. I’m fine with that for a high-ceiling teenager, but not a college senior. Last PG on the roster is a role for vet mins or guys with a lot of development left.
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
If we keep Smart over Rozier, he could replace some of Rozier's scoring.
Now that we have plenty of wings, and ball handlers, we should be focusing on getting stash bigs with low risk to high reward potential.
Grayson Allen really doesn't fit on ths team. I don't like always having to rely on Tatum at spots at the 4. I think he's done remarkably well at the 3, and Jaylen Brown terrorizes 2's on defense.
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Allen can't defend...
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I like him, but where would he honestly see minutes on this team? Skilled offensive player, but his defense is suspect, and he has below average lateral quickness.
If we keep Smart over Rozier, he could replace some of Rozier's scoring.
Now that we have plenty of wings, and ball handlers, we should be focusing on getting stash bigs with low risk to high reward potential.
Grayson Allen really doesn't fit on ths team. I don't like always having to rely on Tatum at spots at the 4. I think he's done remarkably well at the 3, and Jaylen Brown terrorizes 2's on defense.
PJ Washington is ok but hasnt really Impressed. Mitchell Robinson isn't playing basketball oddly but could be a steal. Haven't looked into wagner yet
I think Robinson could be a good grab if we aim for a big with that Pick
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Allen can't defend...
He can defend at as well as Smart can shoot.
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I'm skeptical of him in the NBA.
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Allen can't defend...
He can defend at as well as Smart can shoot.
Yeah, that's true, and it's really sad for both players. I like Allen but he's a poor man's Jimmer Fredette. He'll probably kill it in China.
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Absolutely not. Has everyone forgotten how he's tripped players in the past? That's not basketball, imo. No, if you want a guard at that spot, put me down for Rawle Alkins.
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Absolutely not. Has everyone forgotten how he's tripped players in the past? That's not basketball, imo. No, if you want a guard at that spot, put me down for Rawle Alkins.
He's had to get his foot in the door, somehow......
Yeah that's not basketball. He's a scrappy player but I'd be wary of the feet work.
Kevin Mchale, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon - he is not.
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Adam Morrison 2.0
Or
JJ Redick 2.0?
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Adam Morrison 2.0
Or
JJ Redick 2.0?
more like Courtney lee without the defense
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Adam Morrison 2.0
Or
JJ Redick 2.0?
Bob Sura 2.0.
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Absolutely not. Has everyone forgotten how he's tripped players in the past? That's not basketball, imo. No, if you want a guard at that spot, put me down for Rawle Alkins.
Put me down for Rawle as well. That is an under-rated kid right now.
I expect once he comes back fully healthy he'll jump up mocks.
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I'd hate to have to root for that kid.
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Good sleeper pick, and would be NBA ready, since he is a senior. I like it.
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Absolutely not. Has everyone forgotten how he's tripped players in the past? That's not basketball, imo. No, if you want a guard at that spot, put me down for Rawle Alkins.
Put me down for Rawle as well. That is an under-rated kid right now.
I expect once he comes back fully healthy he'll jump up mocks.
I'm also all in on Rawle, he gets compared to Lance Stephenson because he is from New York, but we need another guard in the mold of AB, Smart, and Rozier. We probably wont be able to keep both Smart and Rozier and Rawle is an aggressive defender in the same mold.
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I'd hate to have to root for that kid.
Yeah, I won't miss him when he's gone from Duke. It's hard enough having to root for him for a few years years in college, I certainly don't want to see him go on to play for my favorite professional team too.
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Lol I'd love to see Tarheels' face if we picked Allen. Having to root for three Dukies might make him switch teams! :P
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Lol I'd love to see Tarheels' face if we picked Allen. Having to root for three Dukies might make him switch teams! :P
Semi Ojeleye also played at Duke. Well, he didn't actually play, which is why he transferred to SMU, but none the less, he went to Duke.
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I'd hate to have to root for that kid.
Amen, brother!
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Absolutely not. Lots of questions, plus arguably least likeable Duke player since...
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Hard pass.
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Lol I'd love to see Tarheels' face if we picked Allen. Having to root for three Dukies might make him switch teams! :P
The Sacto Kings have Justin Jackson and Vince Carter(!). The Hornets aren't a bad option either, with Marcus Paige and Marvin Williams.
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Lol I'd love to see Tarheels' face if we picked Allen. Having to root for three Dukies might make him switch teams! :P
The Sacto Kings have Justin Jackson and Vince Carter(!). The Hornets aren't a bad option either, with Marcus Paige and Marvin Williams.
Apparently teams with Heels suck. Sorry dude.
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no with the Grayson Allen, just no. Attitude and a flopper? We can do better.
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Grayson?
Sure.
He'd help us get our foot in the door........................
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Grayson?
Sure.
He'd help us get our foot in the door........................
TP. but you're trippin', man!
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Grayson?
Sure.
He'd help us get our foot in the door........................
TP. but you're trippin', man!
Yeah we'd get a kick out of him in Green..
But seriously I do like the kid's grit as well as his talent.
He's an NBA player.
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Some of the problems are definitely concerning.
But there is no player I've seen that reminds me more of Manu Ginobli than Grayson Allen. The toughness, driving ability, outside shooting, playmaking, side-to-side athleticism, etc.
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Grayson?
Sure.
He'd help us get our foot in the door........................
TP. but you're trippin', man!
Yeah we'd get a kick out of him in Green..
But seriously I do like the kid's grit as well as his talent.
He's an NBA player.
OK!!! I give!!! Uncle!!!
Stop the "pun"ishment.
And yes, all kidding aside, I agree regarding him being an NBA player.
Also, hopefully as an indicator of increasing maturity, his decision to stay in college another year was either good judgment on his part, or demonstrative of a willingness to listen to and accept advice (Coach K, no doubt).
He was dirty last year, and not in a good way. Hopefully he'll learn from his mistakes and the feeling of being ostracized.
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https://instagram.com/p/Bjx4RdXH0Tw/
Video from his workout with the celtics
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https://instagram.com/p/Bjx4RdXH0Tw/
Video from his workout with the celtics
Deng Adel!
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
Based on what?
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Trade up into the teens, trade out, or draft a solid senior/junior..
These are the options..
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Did he just diss Jayson Tatum, saying Tatum couldn't beat every Duke players 1-on-1?
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The comp I use for Allen is Belinelli. He is a useful player, but not one you want on the floor at the end of games because of his defense. The Duke player I prefer is Duval. He has everything except a shot. Kind of like Rondo 2.0. Stevens probably won’t want Duval because of his shot, but I bet he stays in the league for 10 years.
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
Based on what?
;D
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/grayson-allen-trip-1.jpg)
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His way of playing reminds me of ainge when he played
Nbadraft profile: http://www.nbadraft.net/players/grayson-allen
Highlights from this season: https://youtu.be/0YI1pGqLWJI
Draftexpress pre-season scouting: https://youtu.be/771_VNAHTGQ
Strengths: https://youtu.be/sfF19IChkuk
Weaknesses: https://youtu.be/cNte0i2blys
I also think of him or compare him to a young Danny Ainge . The grit , temperment , all around quality athlete .
I m sure Danny and CBS like him......if Smart walks away .......maybe they are thinking he could impact the game off the bench with energy .
I like Smart alot , so maybe I'd like this guy too.
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
Based on what?
;D
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/grayson-allen-trip-1.jpg)
LOL ....thats old school right there, guys did that stuff in the 70's all the time. it was part of the game . I like Draymond Green too ...he and Smart add action and emotion to game.
Jeff Green......boring ...uncle ...snooze
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just say no. >:(
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
Based on what?
;D
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/grayson-allen-trip-1.jpg)
LOL ....thats old school right there, guys did that stuff in the 70's all the time. it was part of the game . I like Draymond Green too ...he and Smart add action and emotion to game.
Jeff Green......boring ...uncle ...snooze
lol
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His defense is horrible even in college, there is no way he can stay on NBA court
should be a hard NO
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I guess they brought Allen in for a reason. I just don't know what that reason could be.
He isn't a good defender, he isn't a smart player, loses his cool a lot. As others have said, I would struggle to root for him unless he has matured a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEq7xhxD4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEq7xhxD4g)
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Grayson reminds me of danny ainge in his playing days
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Draft Donte
This guy doesnt stand a chance on the defensive end at the nba level
Based on what?
;D
(http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/grayson-allen-trip-1.jpg)
LOL ....thats old school right there, guys did that stuff in the 70's all the time. it was part of the game . I like Draymond Green too ...he and Smart add action and emotion to game.
Jeff Green......boring ...uncle ...snooze
lol
Nice glimpse of Tatum in that photo...
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Grayson reminds me of danny ainge in his playing days
I dont remember Danny ever doing this before
Grayson Allen tomahawk dunk
https://youtu.be/lWU5or05_zw
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Grayson reminds me of danny ainge in his playing days
One has to question whether you seen DA play?
Nope that pick is way to high for Allen who is a second rounder. Didn't any one see him choke in the NCAA's this year? You would have to trade or buy a second rounder to get value for him as most mocks have him in the second round.
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https://instagram.com/p/Bjx4RdXH0Tw/
Video from his workout with the celtics
Deng Adel!
Lol at this comment ;D -
futurepresident_03 Deng adell is thon maker with a wig on
The comp I use for Allen is Belinelli. He is a useful player, but not one you want on the floor at the end of games because of his defense. The Duke player I prefer is Duval. He has everything except a shot. Kind of like Rondo 2.0. Stevens probably won’t want Duval because of his shot, but I bet he stays in the league for 10 years.
Actually, Belinelli has long been an excellent defender, not to mention the fact that he's a much better passer than Grayson.
I guess they brought Allen in for a reason. I just don't know what that reason could be.
He isn't a good defender, he isn't a smart player, loses his cool a lot. As others have said, I would struggle to root for him unless he has matured a lot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEq7xhxD4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcEq7xhxD4g)
TP, as I couldn't agree more on all accounts and could never root for him in any capacity. I'd rather have one of the dudes who was tripped by Allen, anyway, lol ;D.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
well, i am not a fan of ainge picking allen unless its the mid second round. but let's also look at his stats for a bit. no need to demonize a player simply because we would prefer someone else.
in his career in college, he shot 38%. not super, but certainly not bad.
in his last year in college he averaged 1.7 steals a game and 15.5 points. and his determination seems to be marcus smart-esque.
i can see worse players in the middle of the second round. but i think better ones are out there.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
well, i am not a fan of ainge picking allen unless its the mid second round. but let's also look at his stats for a bit. no need to demonize a player simply because we would prefer someone else.
in his career in college, he shot 38%. not super, but certainly not bad.
in his last year in college he averaged 1.7 steals a game and 15.5 points. and his determination seems to be marcus smart-esque.
i can see worse players in the middle of the second round. but i think better ones are out there.
He benefited from beginning surrounded by so many great players that allowed him to take great catch and shoot 3's. Although, I do agree he is a better shooter than advertised and originally thought, but at this point he is what he is... A glue guy that can occasionally fight though screens, put his heart out on the floor, and try to make something out of nothing on hustle plays. But guess what? We already have that in Marcus Smart. I'm also more than 99.99% certain we will re-sign Smart.
Allen is not worth any first round pick. I would rather draft Gary Trent Jr., or Khyri Thomas/Mitchell Robinson over him any day.
I also cannot get over his dirty play, and cheating ways... I mean I honestly don't mind it, but people associate his dirty playing with his will to be tenacious on the floor. No. Those are both completely separate and entirely different.
While he has great court awareness and good team defense, his 6'6 wingspan and his 6'4 height will certainly limit him. Also he has definitely shown a great deal of leadership, but he will not get that many solid minutes here. I think he is best suited elsewhere.
Maybe I'm too hard on him, but Tatum has always spoke glowingly of him. If he gets drafted, then fine I trust Ainge/Zarren. But I'm not okay with going after him specifically.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Why because he averages 1.7 SPG?
It's not that he's a bad defender; he certainly tries. But he is not going to do that well in the NBA. He fights through screens and picks, but at the end of the day, who is he really going to get minutes over on our roster?
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Why because he averages 1.7 SPG?
It's not that he's a bad defender; he certainly tries. But he is not going to do that well in the NBA. He fights through screens and picks, but at the end of the day, who is he really going to get minutes over on our roster?
Nader. Please ANYBODY but turnover Nader.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I don't get it, either. If the guy hadn't gone to Duke, the reality is that he'd have a really tough time in even being drafted, imo.
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this is one of those times i really like this board. such passion, research, and emotion over someone who MIGHT MAYBE PERHAPS will be a mid-second round pick. ha ha...
i do love you guys and gals. ;D
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
well, i am not a fan of ainge picking allen unless its the mid second round. but let's also look at his stats for a bit. no need to demonize a player simply because we would prefer someone else.
in his career in college, he shot 38%. not super, but certainly not bad.
in his last year in college he averaged 1.7 steals a game and 15.5 points. and his determination seems to be marcus smart-esque.
i can see worse players in the middle of the second round. but i think better ones are out there.
He benefited from beginning surrounded by so many great players that allowed him to take great catch and shoot 3's. Although, I do agree he is a better shooter than advertised and originally thought, but at this point he is what he is... A glue guy that can occasionally fight though screens, put his heart out on the floor, and try to make something out of nothing on hustle plays. But guess what? We already have that in Marcus Smart. I'm also more than 99.99% certain we will re-sign Smart.
Allen is not worth any first round pick. I would rather draft Gary Trent Jr., or Khyri Thomas/Mitchell Robinson over him any day.
I also cannot get over his dirty play, and cheating ways... I mean I honestly don't mind it, but people associate his dirty playing with his will to be tenacious on the floor. No. Those are both completely separate and entirely different.
While he has great court awareness and good team defense, his 6'6 wingspan and his 6'4 height will certainly limit him. Also he has definitely shown a great deal of leadership, but he will not get that many solid minutes here. I think he is best suited elsewhere.
Maybe I'm too hard on him, but Tatum has always spoke glowingly of him. If he gets drafted, then fine I trust Ainge/Zarren. But I'm not okay with going after him specifically.
Thank you - TP :). Can't stand dat dookie ;) ;D.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Why because he averages 1.7 SPG?
It's not that he's a bad defender; he certainly tries. But he is not going to do that well in the NBA. He fights through screens and picks, but at the end of the day, who is he really going to get minutes over on our roster?
Nader. Please ANYBODY but turnover Nader.
I think Hayward will play spot PG minutes occasionally. In fact, Hayward will probably be our most versatile player on our team, because of how well rounded his game is. I think Ainge will go for a draft and stash big, or try to trade up to get a big that can play the 4 and 5. There is absolutely no need for Allen, unless you're convinced Smart isn't going to come back.
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this is one of those times i really like this board. such passion, research, and emotion over someone who MIGHT MAYBE PERHAPS will be a mid-second round pick. ha ha...
i do love you guys and gals. ;D
Haha, I mean that's all apart of the discussion! That's what drives us doesn't it? Better than the 139957981361 threads about LeBron coming here.
But I digress, I think Allen will be a late first round pick. Someone will take a flier on him. I just hope it isn't us.
Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
well, i am not a fan of ainge picking allen unless its the mid second round. but let's also look at his stats for a bit. no need to demonize a player simply because we would prefer someone else.
in his career in college, he shot 38%. not super, but certainly not bad.
in his last year in college he averaged 1.7 steals a game and 15.5 points. and his determination seems to be marcus smart-esque.
i can see worse players in the middle of the second round. but i think better ones are out there.
He benefited from beginning surrounded by so many great players that allowed him to take great catch and shoot 3's. Although, I do agree he is a better shooter than advertised and originally thought, but at this point he is what he is... A glue guy that can occasionally fight though screens, put his heart out on the floor, and try to make something out of nothing on hustle plays. But guess what? We already have that in Marcus Smart. I'm also more than 99.99% certain we will re-sign Smart.
Allen is not worth any first round pick. I would rather draft Gary Trent Jr., or Khyri Thomas/Mitchell Robinson over him any day.
I also cannot get over his dirty play, and cheating ways... I mean I honestly don't mind it, but people associate his dirty playing with his will to be tenacious on the floor. No. Those are both completely separate and entirely different.
While he has great court awareness and good team defense, his 6'6 wingspan and his 6'4 height will certainly limit him. Also he has definitely shown a great deal of leadership, but he will not get that many solid minutes here. I think he is best suited elsewhere.
Maybe I'm too hard on him, but Tatum has always spoke glowingly of him. If he gets drafted, then fine I trust Ainge/Zarren. But I'm not okay with going after him specifically.
Thank you - TP :). Can't stand dat dookie ;) ;D.
Haha, back at you.
I'm not against Allen. But his fit on this team just doesn't make sense. Which is why I don't think he's coming here, plus if I'm correct, did we even give him a second workout?
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
well, i am not a fan of ainge picking allen unless its the mid second round. but let's also look at his stats for a bit. no need to demonize a player simply because we would prefer someone else.
in his career in college, he shot 38%. not super, but certainly not bad.
in his last year in college he averaged 1.7 steals a game and 15.5 points. and his determination seems to be marcus smart-esque.
i can see worse players in the middle of the second round. but i think better ones are out there.
He benefited from beginning surrounded by so many great players that allowed him to take great catch and shoot 3's. Although, I do agree he is a better shooter than advertised and originally thought, but at this point he is what he is... A glue guy that can occasionally fight though screens, put his heart out on the floor, and try to make something out of nothing on hustle plays. But guess what? We already have that in Marcus Smart. I'm also more than 99.99% certain we will re-sign Smart.
Allen is not worth any first round pick. I would rather draft Gary Trent Jr., or Khyri Thomas/Mitchell Robinson over him any day.
I also cannot get over his dirty play, and cheating ways... I mean I honestly don't mind it, but people associate his dirty playing with his will to be tenacious on the floor. No. Those are both completely separate and entirely different.
While he has great court awareness and good team defense, his 6'6 wingspan and his 6'4 height will certainly limit him. Also he has definitely shown a great deal of leadership, but he will not get that many solid minutes here. I think he is best suited elsewhere.
Maybe I'm too hard on him, but Tatum has always spoke glowingly of him. If he gets drafted, then fine I trust Ainge/Zarren. But I'm not okay with going after him specifically.
Thank you - TP :). Can't stand dat dookie ;) ;D.
Haha, back at you.
I'm not against Allen. But his fit on this team just doesn't make sense. Which is why I don't think he's coming here, plus if I'm correct, did we even give him a second workout?
No idea.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Yeah, it's a rather ridiculous narrative based on nothing in particular.
Allen is a good athlete with exceptional lateral mobility/agility and above average quickness. He's also smart and aggressive. His biggest limitation on that end is his size (not ideal for a SG). Allen is going to end up proving a lot of people completely wrong about his defense at the NBA level. He won't be an elite defensive player, but he projects to be at the very least a 'plus' defender.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Yeah, it's a rather ridiculous narrative based on nothing in particular.
Allen is a good athlete with exceptional lateral mobility/agility and above average quickness. He's also smart and aggressive. His biggest limitation on that end is his size (not ideal for a SG). Allen is going to end up proving a lot of people completely wrong about his defense at the NBA level. He won't be an elite defensive player, but he projects to be at the very least a 'plus' defender.
Summed it up better than I could. TP
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Yeah, it's a rather ridiculous narrative based on nothing in particular.
Allen is a good athlete with exceptional lateral mobility/agility and above average quickness. He's also smart and aggressive. His biggest limitation on that end is his size (not ideal for a SG). Allen is going to end up proving a lot of people completely wrong about his defense at the NBA level. He won't be an elite defensive player, but he projects to be at the very least a 'plus' defender.
His lateral quickness is actually not that great.. that's what I gathered from the few clips and games I've watched. He is explosive and quick, but we will see.
Like I said honestly I still don't want him here. Where would he even get minutes?
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Is he better than Jabari Bird? My guess is not.
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Why do people like this dirty player, who couldn't defend anyone, can't even shoot 3's that well, and is just overall the type of person who has a punchable face? I don't get it?
I love this completely unfounded narrative of him being a bad defender, lol.
Yeah, it's a rather ridiculous narrative based on nothing in particular.
Allen is a good athlete with exceptional lateral mobility/agility and above average quickness. He's also smart and aggressive. His biggest limitation on that end is his size (not ideal for a SG). Allen is going to end up proving a lot of people completely wrong about his defense at the NBA level. He won't be an elite defensive player, but he projects to be at the very least a 'plus' defender.
His lateral quickness is actually not that great.. that's what I gathered from the few clips and games I've watched. He is explosive and quick, but we will see.
Like I said honestly I still don't want him here. Where would he even get minutes?
I think that would be more due to his weight. He's been listed at 205-210 throughout this season, but has cut down to 198. So I think he'd be fine.
He would definitely be better than Nader, and we will likely suffer injuries. Plus, if Smart walks he could be very useful. Good shooter, solid playmaker and defender, and has cleaned up his game a lot. I really couldn't care less about a guy who "hip-checked" a guy for a foul.
He's not the guy I want most at #27, but everyone acting like DiVincenzo is the obvious guy to pick after a good tourney and performing well against Combine scrubs is a bit over the top
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I think Ainge loves to continually draft combo guards for depth who bring a lot to the table. I bet he loves GA but that doesn't mean he's taking him.
Gotta love having a shot at a 4 year player from the best program in the country, multi year capt, under the best college coach.
I could see him becoming a good pro. Seems like an jerk on the court but that might not be a bad thing.
By the way, I looked up the tripping incidents on YouTube .... is that all??
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The Boston #Celtics “Loved” what they saw from Duke Grayson Allen in his pre draft workout.
Danny Ainge on Allen: “When you watch him play, you see this fluidity and smoothness that not to many players have. His character is exactly what we want here.”
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#smokescreen
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#smokescreen
Probably so.
Ainge isn't one to show his cards.
Which is unfortunate, because I'd be thrilled if we drafted Grayson.
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#smokescreen
Probably so.
Ainge isn't one to show his cards.
Which is unfortunate, because I'd be thrilled if we drafted Grayson.
During an ESPN interview Friday at the 2014 NBA Draft combine, Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said he likes Marcus Smart's "fire" and believes the former Oklahoma State guard will have a nice NBA career.
Ainge did not sound concerned by Smart's confrontation with a fan earlier this season, saying: "I dont know all the details of that, haven't researched that yet, but we will look into that. But (it won't affect his draft stock) much. I think hes a great kid, a great player and I think hell have a bright future."
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#smokescreen
Probably so.
Ainge isn't one to show his cards.
Which is unfortunate, because I'd be thrilled if we drafted Grayson.
During an ESPN interview Friday at the 2014 NBA Draft combine, Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said he likes Marcus Smart's "fire" and believes the former Oklahoma State guard will have a nice NBA career.
Ainge did not sound concerned by Smart's confrontation with a fan earlier this season, saying: "I dont know all the details of that, haven't researched that yet, but we will look into that. But (it won't affect his draft stock) much. I think hes a great kid, a great player and I think hell have a bright future."
Well then that settles it, we're drafting Grayson Allen.
Yay!
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#smokescreen
Probably so.
Ainge isn't one to show his cards.
Which is unfortunate, because I'd be thrilled if we drafted Grayson.
During an ESPN interview Friday at the 2014 NBA Draft combine, Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge said he likes Marcus Smart's "fire" and believes the former Oklahoma State guard will have a nice NBA career.
Ainge did not sound concerned by Smart's confrontation with a fan earlier this season, saying: "I dont know all the details of that, haven't researched that yet, but we will look into that. But (it won't affect his draft stock) much. I think hes a great kid, a great player and I think hell have a bright future."
Well then that settles it, we're drafting Grayson Allen.
Yay!
lol. In the paragraphs Just switch out ”smart” with Allen, and “fan confrontation” with “tripping incidents” same thing different year lol
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He is a fierce competitor but more likely we buy a second round pick to get him. A lot of mocks don't even have him as a first round guy but early second.
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
So drafts have him going higher
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/06/12/2018-nba-mock-draft-trade-rumors-suns-kings-hawks-mavericks
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I could see him being the next Kuzma-esqe steal of the draft. Projected 2nd round pick who has a stellar combine and ends up being picked up in the end on the 1st. Although there won't be room on the C's for him to get starter minutes, he could have an impact off the bench. After watching some highlights I'd be fine with this. I love his 3-point shot.
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(http://i68.tinypic.com/2wpifiw.png)
The Ringer's updated mock draft (6/13) has Allen going to the C's. More surprising is DiVincenzo going at #29 to Brooklyn.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com
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Yuck!! Dont want him...he be in Maine for next 3 years
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They met... hahahahahahahahaha!
https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1008084622918537217
The photo America has been waiting for...
Grayson Allen + Ted Cruz = #Twinning
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1u2t8UEAAGIyq.jpg)
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I'd love to hear Wes Welker's scouting report on this guy.
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They met... hahahahahahahahaha!
https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1008084622918537217
The photo America has been waiting for...
Grayson Allen + Ted Cruz = #Twinning
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1u2t8UEAAGIyq.jpg)
From that same twitter feed and much more apropos.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df11WFmUwAAb9Xm.jpg)
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They met... hahahahahahahahaha!
https://twitter.com/marchmadness/status/1008084622918537217
The photo America has been waiting for...
Grayson Allen + Ted Cruz = #Twinning
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df1u2t8UEAAGIyq.jpg)
From that same twitter feed and much more apropos.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Df11WFmUwAAb9Xm.jpg)
Ha! TP!
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Ainge must be trippin'.
But with both Grayson and Marcus Smart we'd be a step ahead in the feisty department.
These two would get a kick out of needling our opponents.
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I'm out on Allen. IMO a project to even stick on an NBA roster.
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I'm out on Allen. IMO a project to even stick on an NBA roster.
Why? He has multiple NBA caliber skills
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Allen would be a good pick
Provide shooting off the bench
And would annoy the hell out of other teams. Imagine him and smart together
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I think he'd be a good pick. Would fit right in with the other irrational confidence guys on the team. Plus, he's a good 3 pt shooter so we could always use those.
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To be completely honest that pic of him and Ted Cruise together makes me want him more.
Ted Cruise in the NBA would be quite the irritant.
Please get him, Danny. I'm sold. Seriously.
Him and Smart together? They'd be McNasty and McFilthy Part two. Smart could help him hone his craft....trip folks when the refs aren't looking. All Grayson would need to do is learn how to do it on the sly. We'd be in our opponent's heads before jump ball.
Besides the extra-curricular stuff from Grayson he'd be an outside threat and provide grit and guile.
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Ainge must be trippin'.
But with both Grayson and Marcus Smart we'd be a step ahead in the feisty department.
These two would get a kick out of needling our opponents.
So, according to you, drafting Grayson and retaining Smart would give us a substantial...leg up on the competition ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
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Ainge must be trippin'.
But with both Grayson and Marcus Smart we'd be a step ahead in the feisty department.
These two would get a kick out of needling our opponents.
So, according to you, drafting Grayson and retaining Smart would give us a substantial...leg up on the competition ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
TP.
The more I think about this kid I love him.
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To be completely honest that pic of him and Ted Cruise together makes me want him more.
Ted Cruise in the NBA would be quite the irritant.
Please get him, Danny. I'm sold. Seriously.
Him and Smart together? They'd be McNasty and McFilthy Part two. Smart could help him hone his craft....trip folks when the refs aren't looking. All Grayson would need to do is learn how to do it on the sly. We'd be in our opponent's heads before jump ball.
Besides the extra-curricular stuff from Grayson he'd be an outside threat and provide grit and guile.
Do you honestly believe that Allen's dirty play would endear himself to his teammates to such an extent that they would actually want to take a...bullet for him ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
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Ainge must be trippin'.
But with both Grayson and Marcus Smart we'd be a step ahead in the feisty department.
These two would get a kick out of needling our opponents.
So, according to you, drafting Grayson and retaining Smart would give us a substantial...leg up on the competition ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
Lol.
Grayson isn't too encouraging as a prospect, imho. He lacks size for a SG, but also lacks the ability to be a secondary ball-handler. Shooting seems overhyped. And he's a very poor defender, not just physically but mentally. I think he'd be a better and more consistent player if he learned to better control his emotions, though.
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To be completely honest that pic of him and Ted Cruise together makes me want him more.
Ted Cruise in the NBA would be quite the irritant.
Please get him, Danny. I'm sold. Seriously.
Him and Smart together? They'd be McNasty and McFilthy Part two. Smart could help him hone his craft....trip folks when the refs aren't looking. All Grayson would need to do is learn how to do it on the sly. We'd be in our opponent's heads before jump ball.
Besides the extra-curricular stuff from Grayson he'd be an outside threat and provide grit and guile.
Do you really believe that his dirty play will endear himself to his teammates to the point that they would actually want to take a...bullet for him ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
This is awesome.
Loved Jeff Ruland. They don't make em' like they used to.
But seriously I can envision a tight game versus the Golden State Warriors next June 2019...Boston is down by 2 with seconds left...Boston has the ball...Kyrie is bringing it up the court...he accepts a good screen around the 3 point line from Big Al and shoots!!
But misses. This is one of Kyrie's few misses in this game. He, Tatum and GH have given GSW all they can handle so far.
But Marcus gets one of his signature offensive rebounds...BETWEEN BOTH Durant AND Draymond....sees an OPEN GRAYSON ALLEN in the corner...
(https://j.gifs.com/JZrJgP.gif)
GRAYSON MAKES THE SHOT!!! AND GETS a FOUR-POINT OPPORTUNITY after the foul!!!
Draymond is cursing and livid and gets tossed. GSW is deflated.
BOS defeats GSW in 7 games with Both Marcus' and Grayson's big plays.
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Ainge must be trippin'.
But with both Grayson and Marcus Smart we'd be a step ahead in the feisty department.
These two would get a kick out of needling our opponents.
So, according to you, drafting Grayson and retaining Smart would give us a substantial...leg up on the competition ;) ::) ;D *groan*?
Lol.
Grayson isn't too encouraging as a prospect, imho. He lacks size for a SG, but also lacks the ability to be a secondary ball-handler. Shooting seems overhyped. And he's a very poor defender, not just physically but mentally. I think he'd be a better and more consistent player if he learned to better control his emotions, though.
I couldn't agree more. Check out this video of his career high, which has to be the most pathetic 37 point performance that I've ever seen, LOL ;D -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlFkHZCseRQ
More importantly, check out his numbers in terms on conference play, which are quite alarming, imo. Dude's gone completely downhill since his sophomore season -
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/grayson-allen-1.html
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To be completely honest that pic of him and Ted Cruise together makes me want him more.
Ted Cruise in the NBA would be quite the irritant.
Please get him, Danny. I'm sold. Seriously.
Him and Smart together? They'd be McNasty and McFilthy Part two. Smart could help him hone his craft....trip folks when the refs aren't looking. All Grayson would need to do is learn how to do it on the sly. We'd be in our opponent's heads before jump ball.
Besides the extra-curricular stuff from Grayson he'd be an outside threat and provide grit and guile.
Talk about a...kick-starter ;) ::) ;D *groan*.
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I’ve been skeptical about drafting him, but, after more thought, and some video, am thinking he is probably under valued at 27. Started 4 years at Duke, nice stroke from 3, quick release, and decent athleticism. Would be ready for backup minutes assuming we don’t re-sign Larkin. Also good hedge if we don’t match Smart; rumor that several teams interested in him may force Danny to protect for that. I also think this kid’s antics, age, and lack of progression have probably driven his stock down lower than it should be. Could be a solid backup 1-2 guard. Reminds me of Bucks picking the Virginia kid a couple of years ago, who went on to become rookie of year. Allen won’t win that. He won’t get the minutes. But the tape suggests he will find a role in the NBA and have decent career. At 27 pick, that’s about all you should expect.
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I might throw up if the Cs draft Allen.
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I might throw up if the Cs draft Allen.
Lol, TP ;D. Well, do I have the perfect pair of shoes for you ;D...
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96893.msg2530958#msg2530958
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I might throw up if the Cs draft Allen.
Lol, TP ;D. Well, do I have the perfect pair of shoes for you ;D...
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96893.msg2530958#msg2530958
Well done...TP! 8)
Seriously. Unless Allen can be a back up PG and do that well, then forget it. Give me a specialist like:
for defense: Melvin Frazier
for shooting: Jerome Robinson
That's if my all around stud choices are gone....Thomas and and the red haired Italian...
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I might throw up if the Cs draft Allen.
Lol, TP ;D. Well, do I have the perfect pair of shoes for you ;D...
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=96893.msg2530958#msg2530958
Well done...TP! 8)
Seriously. Unless Allen can be a back up PG and do that well, then forget it. Give me a specialist like:
for defense: Melvin Frazier
for shooting: Jerome Robinson
That's if my all around stud choices are gone....Thomas and and the red haired Italian...
Khyri Thomas? I thought that he was going to be off of the board by then, although, in fairness, I don't know a lot about the guy, but who is Robusto Italian? ;) ;D
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I'd prefer a lot of people over Allen at 27. I would love to get Khyri Thomas, but I think he's gone along with the red-haired Italian.
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We are not going to draft Grayson Allen. Yes, his athleticism and offensive ability is something ainge would like. But if you listen to what ainge loved about pretty much every player we have drafted recently - especially guards - it’s their toughness that we rave about.
Allen is someone who was basically hysterically crying when reporters asked him about the first tripping incident in the season after he started tripping guys (his junior year). It was embarrassing (and I’m a Duke fan). Pretty sure that tape is going to be a big negative in our mind to drafting Allen unless he has somehow shown he is much mentally tougher than he was then somehow.
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I hope the Celtics draft Jacob Evans. He is a tough kid who could keep our defense strong.
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I don't think we should draft Allen, which means we might do it.