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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #240 on: March 12, 2018, 08:58:08 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Not really. I have a pretty good gauge on who they are

Yeah it's also worth mentioning the cavs weren't very good before the trade deadline either. IT actually looked like a capablr NBA player. Crowder has shown some more life on a Utah team playing well. Heck even Wade single handedly already won a game for the heat.

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« Reply #241 on: March 12, 2018, 09:19:26 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Not really. I have a pretty good gauge on who they are
I honestly don't have any idea if Love is still the 26/12 1st option player he was in Minnesota or an 18/9 player he has been as the 3rd option in Cleveland.  If he is the former, then the Cavs are going to be very good and should be in the finals (though will lose to the Warriors).  If he is the latter, then they will struggle immensely in the East and very well could lose to Toronto or Boston.

I don't think he can be the 26/12 option on a nightly basis but he might be able to pull it together against Boston or Toronto 2 or 3 times in a 7 game series.  Things certainly look ugly in Cleveland but I wont rule out players like Clarkson or Hood having some big games in the postseason once Love is back in the lineup. 

I want to believe that the Cavs are cooked but it's still too premature. 

Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #242 on: March 12, 2018, 09:23:10 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Sure, but after the trade the media acted like the Cavs had become a lock for the Finals, even without Love.  Two wins over the Celts and OKC and you would have thought the Cavs had won 70 games.

Ultimately, though, the Cavs have replaced Kyrie with Jordan Clarkson and some decent role players. The media narrative was always silly. The Cavs are going to have a rough road in the playoffs.


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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #243 on: March 12, 2018, 09:56:07 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Sure, but after the trade the media acted like the Cavs had become a lock for the Finals, even without Love.  Two wins over the Celts and OKC and you would have thought the Cavs had won 70 games.

Ultimately, though, the Cavs have replaced Kyrie with Jordan Clarkson and some decent role players. The media narrative was always silly. The Cavs are going to have a rough road in the playoffs.
They replaced Kyrie with George Hill, not that that changes your point all that much, but it is more accurate since Hill is the starting PG for them and will be for their playoff run.

I think Love will do far better when he comes back than most people.  I think he could really be a consistent 23/12 type player and am pretty curious to see how he fits back in.  Obviously if he fails to pick up some slack, then the Cavs are a much worse team, but if Love can get back to being that type of player now that he is a clear #2 guy, I think the Cavs could be quite good as they do have pieces that fit a lot better around James then they have had since probably that first season back in Cleveland.
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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #244 on: March 12, 2018, 10:32:05 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Sure, but after the trade the media acted like the Cavs had become a lock for the Finals, even without Love.  Two wins over the Celts and OKC and you would have thought the Cavs had won 70 games.

Ultimately, though, the Cavs have replaced Kyrie with Jordan Clarkson and some decent role players. The media narrative was always silly. The Cavs are going to have a rough road in the playoffs.
They replaced Kyrie with George Hill, not that that changes your point all that much, but it is more accurate since Hill is the starting PG for them and will be for their playoff run.

I think Love will do far better when he comes back than most people.  I think he could really be a consistent 23/12 type player and am pretty curious to see how he fits back in.  Obviously if he fails to pick up some slack, then the Cavs are a much worse team, but if Love can get back to being that type of player now that he is a clear #2 guy, I think the Cavs could be quite good as they do have pieces that fit a lot better around James then they have had since probably that first season back in Cleveland.

Kevin love has had a lot of injuries since his Minnesota days and has definitely lost some bounce. Also do you realize there isn't a single player in the league averaging 23-12 this season (I think cousins was when he was active)  talk about setting up a guy for failure with unrealistic expectations.

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« Reply #245 on: March 12, 2018, 10:50:07 AM »

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Osman and Hood were out against the Lakers, along with Love still not playing.  They were already thin, they can't lose 3 rotation players and still be good.

They haven’t been particularly good since the trade.  They played two good games (where JR Smith was hot) and have been mediocre or worse since.
Sure, but they haven't had Love for any of those games, they have been without Thompson for a week or so, and last night didn't have Osman or Hood, both of whom got hurt in the game before. 

It is hard to gauge this team without seeing them all together, especially when one of the guys out is clearly and by far its second best player.

Sure, but after the trade the media acted like the Cavs had become a lock for the Finals, even without Love.  Two wins over the Celts and OKC and you would have thought the Cavs had won 70 games.

Ultimately, though, the Cavs have replaced Kyrie with Jordan Clarkson and some decent role players. The media narrative was always silly. The Cavs are going to have a rough road in the playoffs.
They replaced Kyrie with George Hill, not that that changes your point all that much, but it is more accurate since Hill is the starting PG for them and will be for their playoff run.

I think Love will do far better when he comes back than most people.  I think he could really be a consistent 23/12 type player and am pretty curious to see how he fits back in.  Obviously if he fails to pick up some slack, then the Cavs are a much worse team, but if Love can get back to being that type of player now that he is a clear #2 guy, I think the Cavs could be quite good as they do have pieces that fit a lot better around James then they have had since probably that first season back in Cleveland.

Kevin love has had a lot of injuries since his Minnesota days and has definitely lost some bounce. Also do you realize there isn't a single player in the league averaging 23-12 this season (I think cousins was when he was active)  talk about setting up a guy for failure with unrealistic expectations.
depends on his minutes.  Love, per 36, is actually averaging 23/12 this season.  It is the first season since his last year in Minnesota he averaged that per 36.  He is only playing 28 mpg this year though.  If he bumps his minutes up and maintains a similar level of production, then 23/12 is certainly doable for him.  The Cavs need him to play more than 28 mpg (even if his production slips a bit) as they need him on the floor for at least 32 mpg (what he did in the playoffs last year), and probably closer to 36.
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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #246 on: March 12, 2018, 12:26:30 PM »

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Dear Cavaliers,

I am so sorry to hear of your recent struggles. I hope your new additions begin to integrate and bear fruit for your fine organization. I know Kevin will be back soon to aid you in your march to yet another title.

One small detail I would like to call your attention to?

The Pacers have got your worn out Lebron lead butts wrapped up and you shall be lookin up at the 76'ers by week after next!!!.

Sincerely yours,

Boston.

 

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« Reply #247 on: March 12, 2018, 12:32:39 PM »

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Love should help Cleveland when he returns, BUT lets not forget that he was horrible on defense even before the injury (almost as bad as Isaiah). Love definitely would help CLE outscore their opponents on a nightly basis (playoffs included), but CLE is probably still going to give up 110+ regularly as well.

Also, the Cavaliers HAVEN'T filled the Kyrie void. That could be vital come playoff time in a series against Toronto, or even Boston (I'm not even talking HOU or GSW yet). Unless Hood or Clarkson start playing at an all-star level, then Lebron AND Love are both going to have to step up big time.
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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #248 on: March 14, 2018, 08:31:26 AM »

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Love due back next week.

Smith has been moved to the bench.  Korver started last night, but Hood will assume the starting role when he is back from injury.
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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #249 on: March 14, 2018, 09:50:59 AM »

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Love due back next week.

Smith has been moved to the bench.  Korver started last night, but Hood will assume the starting role when he is back from injury.

What took Lue so long? Smith has been killing the Cavs for two seasons.


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Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #250 on: March 14, 2018, 10:02:45 AM »

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With our injuries, seems like it will be between Cavs and Raptors to get out of the East. We will have a tough time just to get to the 2nd round, particularly if Smart is out.

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« Reply #251 on: March 14, 2018, 12:39:10 PM »

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Love due back next week.

Smith has been moved to the bench.  Korver started last night, but Hood will assume the starting role when he is back from injury.

What took Lue so long? Smith has been killing the Cavs for two seasons.

Ahhh yes

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764321-jr-smith-on-role-after-benching-honestly-i-dont-know
Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Tyronn Lue elected to switch up the starting lineup for Tuesday's game against the Phoenix Suns, leaving JR Smith to come off the bench.

"Honestly, I don't know," Smith said when asked what his new role will be, per Dave McMenamin of ESPN.com.

Kyle Korver started in his place, but McMenamin noted Rodney Hood will assume the starting position when he returns from his back injury.

"But I think it's good for the first unit, though," Smith clarified. "Because we actually get to have someone out there we're going to run stuff for and who is a threat, as opposed to having somebody who is not an option."

According to McMenamin, Lue said he had a talk with Smith about moving him out of the starting lineup, but Smith didn't seem to think it was much of a discussion.

"We didn't talk," Smith said. "He sent me a text [Monday], and I told him, 'No problem.' I didn't know that it was a 'talk.'"

He continued, saying: "That's all right, though. I'm not upset about it. I just wish there would have been more dialogue, I guess."

So Smith seems like he is trying to say the right things, but then throwing in comments about not knowing what his role was, wishing there was more dialogue and disagrees with Lue's assertion that they talked about it. This sounds like it will go well. Lol

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« Reply #252 on: March 14, 2018, 12:42:34 PM »

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With our injuries, seems like it will be between Cavs and Raptors to get out of the East. We will have a tough time just to get to the 2nd round, particularly if Smart is out.

Current odds to win the east (sportsbook.ag)

Raptors 8/5
Cavs 2/1
Celtics 3/1

We are still being given a fair chance to win the east , but definitely is a 3 team race (next best team is 9-1). No east team is being given a real chance to win the championship though with Toronto leading at 12-1 and Cleveland and Boston an underdogs underdog at 15-1 and 20-1.

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« Reply #253 on: March 14, 2018, 01:19:49 PM »

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Love due back next week.

Smith has been moved to the bench.  Korver started last night, but Hood will assume the starting role when he is back from injury.

What took Lue so long? Smith has been killing the Cavs for two seasons.

Ahhh yes

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764321-jr-smith-on-role-after-benching-honestly-i-dont-know
Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Tyronn Lue elected to switch up the starting lineup for Tuesday's game against the Phoenix Suns, leaving JR Smith to come off the bench.

"Honestly, I don't know," Smith said when asked what his new role will be, per Dave McMenamin of ESPN.com.

Kyle Korver started in his place, but McMenamin noted Rodney Hood will assume the starting position when he returns from his back injury.

"But I think it's good for the first unit, though," Smith clarified. "Because we actually get to have someone out there we're going to run stuff for and who is a threat, as opposed to having somebody who is not an option."

According to McMenamin, Lue said he had a talk with Smith about moving him out of the starting lineup, but Smith didn't seem to think it was much of a discussion.

"We didn't talk," Smith said. "He sent me a text [Monday], and I told him, 'No problem.' I didn't know that it was a 'talk.'"

He continued, saying: "That's all right, though. I'm not upset about it. I just wish there would have been more dialogue, I guess."

So Smith seems like he is trying to say the right things, but then throwing in comments about not knowing what his role was, wishing there was more dialogue and disagrees with Lue's assertion that they talked about it. This sounds like it will go well. Lol
I liked the part where he said at least they will have someone out there that they will actually run plays for.

Smith with the passive aggressive digs at Lue. I love it.

Re: CAVSMAGEDDON!!
« Reply #254 on: March 14, 2018, 02:27:59 PM »

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Love due back next week.

Smith has been moved to the bench.  Korver started last night, but Hood will assume the starting role when he is back from injury.

What took Lue so long? Smith has been killing the Cavs for two seasons.

Ahhh yes

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2764321-jr-smith-on-role-after-benching-honestly-i-dont-know
Cleveland Cavaliers head coach Tyronn Lue elected to switch up the starting lineup for Tuesday's game against the Phoenix Suns, leaving JR Smith to come off the bench.

"Honestly, I don't know," Smith said when asked what his new role will be, per Dave McMenamin of ESPN.com.

Kyle Korver started in his place, but McMenamin noted Rodney Hood will assume the starting position when he returns from his back injury.

"But I think it's good for the first unit, though," Smith clarified. "Because we actually get to have someone out there we're going to run stuff for and who is a threat, as opposed to having somebody who is not an option."

According to McMenamin, Lue said he had a talk with Smith about moving him out of the starting lineup, but Smith didn't seem to think it was much of a discussion.

"We didn't talk," Smith said. "He sent me a text [Monday], and I told him, 'No problem.' I didn't know that it was a 'talk.'"

He continued, saying: "That's all right, though. I'm not upset about it. I just wish there would have been more dialogue, I guess."

So Smith seems like he is trying to say the right things, but then throwing in comments about not knowing what his role was, wishing there was more dialogue and disagrees with Lue's assertion that they talked about it. This sounds like it will go well. Lol
I liked the part where he said at least they will have someone out there that they will actually run plays for.

Smith with the passive aggressive digs at Lue. I love it.

I am getting the feeling Lue will be let go at the end of the year (barring at least a finals appearance). He has lost the lockerroom at various points, which is supposed to be his greatest skill.