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Which of these is the most plausible?

Ray for Prince and Hamilton
Ray and Scal for Iggy and Dalembert
Ray for Hinrich, Salmons, Ty Thomas
Ray for Dunleavy and Murphy
Ray, Giddens, Walker for Curry, Jeffries, Douglas, Gallinari
Ray and Walker for Butler, Miller, Blatche
Ray and Baby for Jameson, Foye, Blatche
Ray and Baby for Maggette, Turiaf, Randolph, Bell
Ray and 1st for Martin and Nocioni
Ray and Scal for Kirilenko, Brewer, Korver
Ewww, none of the above, thanks (the early favorite)
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2010, 06:37:17 PM »

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(1) Ray for Prince and Rip
(2) Ray for Hinrich, Salmons and Tyrus
(3) Ray for Dunleavy and Murphy
(4) Ray and change for Curry, Jeffries, Gallo
(5) Ray and BBD for Jamison, Foye, Blatche
(6) Ray for AK-47 and parts

I think each of those six trade proposals is realistic and has a good chance of happening if Danny Ainge wished to pursue them.

As for my interest in them, I'd rule out the following and go from there

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(1) Ray for Prince and Rip
(2) Ray for Hinrich, Salmons and Tyrus
(3) Ray for Dunleavy and Murphy
(4) Ray and change for Curry, Jeffries, Gallo
(5) Ray and BBD for Jamison, Foye, Blatche
(6) Ray for AK-47 and parts
I'm uncertain about the remaining three. There is some interest but also an awful lot of money on the table. I'm not sure whether I'd be willing to make those deals or not, it's borderline.

You'd take Curry and Jeffries for Gallo?  Wouldn't that destroy our championship hopes this year?
I don't think so but I seem to rate Gallinari higher than most both in terms of current ability + potential.

I think he can replace most of Ray's offensive production, while supplying superior rebounding, but lacking in defense. Although, if Ray continues to play D like he has over the last six weeks then this is a much smaller issue than it once was.

I agree that he could approximate Ray's offensive production right now, but I don't think the C's could get away with Pierce and Gallo at the 2/3.  Quicker guards would really hurt us.
Who? In the playoffs I mean? Who can punish that flaw?

Paul Pierce is already the team's best defender against Kobe Bryant, Joe Johnson and Vince Carter. Marquis Daniels is also good defender against those players. Dwyane Wade is the only player that I think is a major problem matchup wise.

The Celtics would be able to hide Gallinari on the lesser offensive threat on the wing by using Pierce and Daniels on the main threat. It's a loss defensively, Ray to Gallo, for the Celtics but a manageable one.

It puts a small dent in the Celtics title chances but I think it still allows them to put forth a strong challenge on the title. And Gallinari gives them a very impressive talent to build around in the medium-to-long term.

Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2010, 06:46:23 PM »

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(1) Ray for Prince and Rip
(2) Ray for Hinrich, Salmons and Tyrus
(3) Ray for Dunleavy and Murphy
(4) Ray and change for Curry, Jeffries, Gallo
(5) Ray and BBD for Jamison, Foye, Blatche
(6) Ray for AK-47 and parts

I think each of those six trade proposals is realistic and has a good chance of happening if Danny Ainge wished to pursue them.

As for my interest in them, I'd rule out the following and go from there

Quote
(1) Ray for Prince and Rip
(2) Ray for Hinrich, Salmons and Tyrus
(3) Ray for Dunleavy and Murphy
(4) Ray and change for Curry, Jeffries, Gallo
(5) Ray and BBD for Jamison, Foye, Blatche
(6) Ray for AK-47 and parts
I'm uncertain about the remaining three. There is some interest but also an awful lot of money on the table. I'm not sure whether I'd be willing to make those deals or not, it's borderline.

You'd take Curry and Jeffries for Gallo?  Wouldn't that destroy our championship hopes this year?
I don't think so but I seem to rate Gallinari higher than most both in terms of current ability + potential.

I think he can replace most of Ray's offensive production, while supplying superior rebounding, but lacking in defense. Although, if Ray continues to play D like he has over the last six weeks then this is a much smaller issue than it once was.

I agree that he could approximate Ray's offensive production right now, but I don't think the C's could get away with Pierce and Gallo at the 2/3.  Quicker guards would really hurt us.
Who? In the playoffs I mean? Who can punish that flaw?

Paul Pierce is already the team's best defender against Kobe Bryant, Joe Johnson and Vince Carter. Marquis Daniels is also good defender against those players. Dwyane Wade is the only player that I think is a major problem matchup wise.

The Celtics would be able to hide Gallinari on the lesser offensive threat on the wing by using Pierce and Daniels on the main threat. It's a loss defensively, Ray to Gallo, for the Celtics but a manageable one.

It puts a small dent in the Celtics title chances but I think it still allows them to put forth a strong challenge on the title. And Gallinari gives them a very impressive talent to build around in the medium-to-long term.

I just don't think we'd get anywhere near the offensive production out of Pierce we'd need if he spent most of the game on the best opposing wing (one of the reasons why Cleveland is such a difficult match-up for us).  Doc has always kept Pierce as his defensive closer.  Ray at least can tread water against Kobe and Joe Johnson, keeping them out of the paint and weakly contesting their jumpers.  I'd fear that Gallo would be hard-pressed to avoid fouling out if he was guarding them for any extended period of time.

He is definitely a fascinating talent, just a poor fit in the short-term.
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2010, 09:34:49 PM »

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By the way, there's no reason to trade Ray to get Maggette. You could send expiring deals for him, and likely get Morrow, Watson or Randolph in the process.

That may have been true last year, but you really need to check out Maggette's numbers this year.   He's leading the league in true shooting % (a measure accounting for 3s and FTs) right now, just a hair above Perkins, while scoring 20 a game. 

If Golden St. moves him, I'm pretty sure they'll demand that the other team takes Radmanovic off their hands as well and that requires a Ray Allen sized expiring.

Are you kidding? Golden State has been shopping him all year. Had they not destroyed his value, maybe his numbers would shine through. Since they have -- and his contract is too long in the first place -- he's worth expiring contracts only.

I think he'd be a great addition as a third wing scorer / insurance policy for Pierce & Allen off the bench. He's always performed well in a 6th man capacity. 
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2010, 09:41:46 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?

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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2010, 09:52:15 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?

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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2010, 10:01:42 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?

fully agree. considering we're going to have to take nasty salary next year to get back talent for ray, i just don't see it. if we need to make a splash why not trade our many millions in expirings for one of the same players were talking about?

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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2010, 10:42:07 PM »

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I like the butler, miller and blatche option.  2 solid wings for the price of one and a good young front court player.  if wizards agree to that, can't pass that up.

Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2010, 10:46:15 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?

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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #23 on: January 24, 2010, 11:25:48 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?

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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2010, 02:58:20 PM »

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A Corey Maggette + Anthony Morrow trade package sounds very interesting to me.

Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2010, 03:24:07 PM »

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I like the GS, Sac and Chicago idea's best.
all three keep us in the mix this year and help us retool for the future.


Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2010, 04:01:11 PM »

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I just read this article, it might be posted somewhere else, but it is pretty good.

http://www.nesn.com/2010/01/allowing-ray-allen-to-enter-free-agency-could-pay-off-for-celtics.html
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2010, 04:20:45 PM »

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If there was the almost imposible chance that both stays healthy for a season

The murphy dunleavy deal for ray is hell of tempting.
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2010, 05:05:35 PM »

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A Corey Maggette + Anthony Morrow trade package sounds very interesting to me.

No need to trade Ray to get them.
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Re: Ray Allen Trade Ideas
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2010, 05:08:02 PM »

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Boston trades:  Ray Allen

Boston receives: savvy, classy veteran, clutch shooter who is one of the most efficient SGs in the league, who has indicated a desire to re-sign in Boston for a reasonable contract

Anybody out there who fits the bill?
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