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Title: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 10, 2015, 04:42:32 AM
It might seem ridiculous, because Anthony Davis seems like the next NBA superstar... and he is...

Averaging 24 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 assits, 2.7 blocks, 1.4 steals with 48%/35%/74% shooting in 36 minutes.  He's 6'10 253.  He's only 22 years old.  Dude is the real deal.  Of course, the Pelicans haven't accomplished anything yet, but that guy is a bonafide franchise player...

But is he going to be better than Karl Towns?  7 foot 244lb Towns is like like a prototypical big man for the year 2015.  He can seemingly do everything.  Inside scoring, defend, ball handing, shooting for distance, etc.  He's a freak.

He's only played 21 games, but he's averaging 15.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2.2 blocks, 0.7 steals with 53%/44%/81% shooting.   That compares favorably (so far) to Davis' rookie averages of 13.5 poins, 8.2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.8 blocks, 1.2 steals with 52%/0%/75%.

Actually, it's kind of freaky but if you take Town's rookie stats and project it to 36 minutes, he's putting up numbers pretty similar to Davis already:  19.1 points, 12 rebounds, 2.8 blocks.  I can't imagine what that kid is going to look like in a few years.  He's legit.

Just curious... if you had to pick one to build a team around (forget about the fact that Towns is on a rookie scale salary), which would you take?  Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on December 10, 2015, 05:10:41 AM
 His jr year in hs I wanted him on the celts and it kills me we didn't get a big guy in this draft. We all talked about how this draft was going to be the one in which we took care of our center issues. But we made the playoffs and many people think that was better than tanking/waiving Bass, Jonas, Gigi, Crowder, and trading AB for a first.

I think the best we can do now is trade for Myles Turner and if he continues to improve his hips then he could be better than Towns maybe.

Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: moiso on December 10, 2015, 07:45:03 AM
Good topic.  It would have seemed ridiculous a month or two ago, but I would be tempted to take Towns if I had to make a choice today.  Davis is awesome, but I wonder if Towns will be a lot more durable.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LilRip on December 10, 2015, 07:57:05 AM
interesting question, though I don't think I'm qualified to answer it coz I haven't seen KAT play for the Wolves. But yeah, statistically, he seems like a franchise player.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: kne on December 10, 2015, 08:33:24 AM
I think you simply cannot underestimate the impact of having KG in KAT's ear (and Wiggins, for that matter). That was such a good move by Flip.

So to answer your question: I would go for Towns if given the choice.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Future Celtics Owner on December 10, 2015, 08:50:43 AM
Good topic.  It would have seemed ridiculous a month or two ago, but I would be tempted to take Towns if I had to make a choice today.  Davis is awesome, but I wonder if Towns will be a lot more durable.
Thats funny because Towns was seen by Scouts as a guy who could break down(knee issues in hs) and that was one reason he was not ranked in the top 10 by draftexpress right before the college season.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: gift on December 10, 2015, 08:54:06 AM
If we're not considering durability and [current] salary, I'd go with Davis. He's still improving as well.

But Towns will be about Davis' level eventually I think. I just hate every New Orleans squad that Anthony Davis has been surrounded with. I think [hope] we'll eventually see his strengths magnified by quality teammates. I think that's something Towns already has in place. A lot of good young players to grow with. New Orleans tried to win to soon, in my opinion. I would have liked them to be more patient. Now they are losing anyway.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on December 10, 2015, 12:14:32 PM
Good topic.  It would have seemed ridiculous a month or two ago, but I would be tempted to take Towns if I had to make a choice today.  Davis is awesome, but I wonder if Towns will be a lot more durable.
It's crazy how good towns is so far.   Maybe he putters out and hits a rookie wall, but there doesn't seem to be any signs of it yet.  He might be the best rookie we've seen in years... Just in terms of how good he is as a rookie.  They have been a little weird with his minutes so far.  If he starts getting 30+ nightly, it will be fun to see what he ends up averaging.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: The One on December 10, 2015, 12:23:42 PM
Good topic...I'm thinking Towns...but I'm not crying if I end up with Davis.

Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Who on December 10, 2015, 12:39:18 PM
Anthony Davis = more explosive quickness and overall mobility + athleticism.

Both are top notch talents though. MVP caliber talents.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: max215 on December 10, 2015, 12:59:42 PM
I'll take KAT. I've only seen 3 or 4 Wolves games, but when Mitchell actually let's KAT play he's unbelievable.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Csfan1984 on December 10, 2015, 01:03:32 PM
Davis
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: TheTruthFot18 on December 10, 2015, 01:06:06 PM
Really?

A top 5 player, top 1-2 at his position, who has already played four years vs. a rookie who is doing well.

RJ Hunter or Bradley Beal?
Mickey or Taj Gibson?

MAYBE if we say in 2-3 years or Davis now vs KAT at age 23-24.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: max215 on December 10, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
Really?

A top 5 player, top 1-2 at his position, who has already played four years vs. a rookie who is doing well.

RJ Hunter or Bradley Beal?
Mickey or Taj Gibson?

MAYBE if we say in 2-3 years or Davis now vs KAT at age 23-24.


That is the question. It's who do you want to build around, who do you project as a better player. That's why some of us are picking KAT.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Roy H. on December 10, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: PhoSita on December 10, 2015, 01:30:04 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.

Agreed.

We need an "I agree with this post" emoji.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: loco_91 on December 11, 2015, 12:31:59 PM
Amazing season by KAT to even make this a discussion, but it's Davis. KAT has had a very promising start and he looks like superstar material, but lots of guys have started hot and fizzled to some degree.

AD is already a superstar. Barring career-altering injury, he's a sure-fire hall of famer and quite possibly a repeat-offender MVP.

We still don't know exactly what KAT is. He could be as good as AD, or possibly even better, but there's still a decent chance that he falls short of superstardom.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: fairweatherfan on December 11, 2015, 12:50:51 PM
Durability might be the tiebreaker, but there's this:


http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2013&p1=davisan02&y2=2016&p2=townska01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6= (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&y1=2013&p1=davisan02&y2=2016&p2=townska01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=)

You take the sure thing for now but so far, so good for KAT.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 30, 2016, 02:40:37 AM
so we're a little over half way through Towns rookie season.  He's only 20 years old.  Yes, it's early... but I think i've seen enough at this point that if I was forced to choose between Towns and Davis, I'm going with Towns.  That kid is going to be unbelievable. 

We're starting to see flashes of what this kid is going to do when he starts getting 35+ minutes per game.   

Over his past 5 games, he's averaged 23.6 points, 12.4 rebounds, 3.2 assists, 2.4 blocks, 0.8 steals in 33.6mpg with 69%/50%/89% shooting

It's the 3-point shooting that pushes him over the top for me.  He's basically a prototypical big man for the next generation.  He's also bigger than Davis.   

I know it's still early, but people told me it was early when I called rookie Anthony Davis the second coming of Kevin Garnett.

Honestly they are pretty similar.   

Davis as a rookie put up per-36 numbers of 16.9 points, 10.2 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.5 steals and 2.2 blocks with 51%/0%/75%. 

Towns as a rookie putting up per-36 numbers of 19.7 points, 12 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.8 steals and 2.2 blocks with 53%/38%/86%

We all expected Davis to be the best player in the league someday.  He's a hell of a player.  I think Towns is going to be even better.   

You know honestly... look at Davis' per-36 this season:  22.9 points, 10.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 1.3 steals and 2.4 blocks with 49%/28%/76%.   It's actually kind of worse than rookie Towns. 

I think it's a reach to say Towns is better than Davis right now.  He's only a rookie.  But when you factor in Davis' already being semi injury prone, potentially already a weaker rebounder and offensive player... Sorry, but long term, I'm definitely going with Towns.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: RockinRyA on January 30, 2016, 02:53:40 AM
very interesting topic. Id love to have both but given the evidence so far, Id go with the more sure thing, Davis. Towns for now is not a sure thing, although things are certainly looking up, while with Davis its safer. It is also easier to put a team around Davis as he does more things even without the ball. But I wont be crying if I have KAT instead.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on January 30, 2016, 02:54:07 AM
Here's Towns 32 points tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jlDszQyd8

He's already really really good.  His range makes him special. 
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on January 30, 2016, 03:31:35 AM
I remember, last season but one, I suggested in the trade forum that should we land the number one pick we should trade to New Orleans for Anthony Davis straight up. We didn't get the number one pick, and now we are hoping Marcus Smart is the gem he could possibly become. water under the bridge.

Anyway,  right now for me it would depend on whether I want to build this contender Lakers' style (free agency coups) in which I would vouch for Anthony Davis' track record, or Celtics' style (drafting, and trading assets), in which case I want Towns' upside
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: KG Living Legend on January 30, 2016, 04:59:37 AM

 Towns Lar, it's not even close for me. Towns was my binkie from the moment I first saw him.

 He hasn't even shown all he can do yet. He's unreal.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: greece66 on January 30, 2016, 09:52:31 AM
It might seem ridiculous, because Anthony Davis seems like the next NBA superstar... and he is...

Averaging 24 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 assits, 2.7 blocks, 1.4 steals with 48%/35%/74% shooting in 36 minutes.  He's 6'10 253.  He's only 22 years old.  Dude is the real deal.  Of course, the Pelicans haven't accomplished anything yet, but that guy is a bonafide franchise player...

But is he going to be better than Karl Towns?  7 foot 244lb Towns is like like a prototypical big man for the year 2015.  He can seemingly do everything.  Inside scoring, defend, ball handing, shooting for distance, etc.  He's a freak.

He's only played 21 games, but he's averaging 15.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2.2 blocks, 0.7 steals with 53%/44%/81% shooting.   That compares favorably (so far) to Davis' rookie averages of 13.5 poins, 8.2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.8 blocks, 1.2 steals with 52%/0%/75%.

Actually, it's kind of freaky but if you take Town's rookie stats and project it to 36 minutes, he's putting up numbers pretty similar to Davis already:  19.1 points, 12 rebounds, 2.8 blocks.  I can't imagine what that kid is going to look like in a few years.  He's legit.

Just curious... if you had to pick one to build a team around (forget about the fact that Towns is on a rookie scale salary), which would you take?  Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

This is easy.

Towns might become the next AD

AD already is AD

Problem is that NOP has been unable so far to put a good supporting cast around him, but this is not his fault.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: straightouttabahstun on January 30, 2016, 10:56:41 AM
Towns. He's not only skilled as hell but he may have the best possible person mentoring him right now- I'm not saying this kid wouldn't  work hard without KG because he seems like a good kid and would work already, but to have KG push you to your absolute limit is doing wonders for that kid's game mentally. I don't expect Towns to be a softy. I'm not disrespecting AD either. He's a monster player and I feel bad that he doesn't have the right cast around him to win because he's a winner. But Towns is gonna develop killer instinct. I see Towns having an overall better future.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Who on January 30, 2016, 10:58:01 AM
It might seem ridiculous, because Anthony Davis seems like the next NBA superstar... and he is...

Averaging 24 points, 11 rebounds, 1.5 assits, 2.7 blocks, 1.4 steals with 48%/35%/74% shooting in 36 minutes.  He's 6'10 253.  He's only 22 years old.  Dude is the real deal.  Of course, the Pelicans haven't accomplished anything yet, but that guy is a bonafide franchise player...

But is he going to be better than Karl Towns?  7 foot 244lb Towns is like like a prototypical big man for the year 2015.  He can seemingly do everything.  Inside scoring, defend, ball handing, shooting for distance, etc.  He's a freak.

He's only played 21 games, but he's averaging 15.3 points, 9.3 rebounds, 1 assist, 2.2 blocks, 0.7 steals with 53%/44%/81% shooting.   That compares favorably (so far) to Davis' rookie averages of 13.5 poins, 8.2 rebounds, 1 assist, 1.8 blocks, 1.2 steals with 52%/0%/75%.

Actually, it's kind of freaky but if you take Town's rookie stats and project it to 36 minutes, he's putting up numbers pretty similar to Davis already:  19.1 points, 12 rebounds, 2.8 blocks.  I can't imagine what that kid is going to look like in a few years.  He's legit.

Just curious... if you had to pick one to build a team around (forget about the fact that Towns is on a rookie scale salary), which would you take?  Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

This is easy.

Towns might become the next AD

AD already is AD

Problem is that NOP has been unable so far to put a good supporting cast around him, but this is not his fault.

... And surrounded him with dumb coaches

... And have failed to play him at his best position = center position.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: acieEarl on January 30, 2016, 11:06:02 AM
Davis. Just because he is that good right now. Town is really good and may end up as good or better, but I'd still stick with Davis.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 06, 2016, 10:36:47 PM
Towns over the past 10 games: 

21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.2 blocks with 60%/43%/85% shooting in 34.2mpg

They just beat the Clippers and the Bulls.   He's a 20 year old rookie.  How good can this kid be?

Also... how sure are we that Davis is better right now given role/surrounding talent/system?  Towns 3-point shooting makes him a transcendent prospect.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: max215 on February 06, 2016, 10:40:09 PM
Towns over the past 10 games: 

21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.2 blocks with 60%/43%/85% shooting in 34.2mpg

They just beat the Clippers and the Bulls.   He's a 20 year old rookie.  How good can this kid be?

Also... how sure are we that Davis is better right now given role/surrounding talent/system?  Towns 3-point shooting makes him a transcendent prospect.

Towns could be an All-Time Great. He's a perennial First Team All-NBA player. He may also be my favorite player to watch in the entire league.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: mr. dee on February 06, 2016, 10:41:19 PM
Right now? The brow, no question. Town's stats are pretty impressive but not outstanding. Tyreke Evans had an impressive rookie year too. Look how it turned out. I'll wait 3-4 years to see how he turns out.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: KeepRondo on February 06, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: obnoxiousmime on February 06, 2016, 10:49:22 PM
I remember, last season but one, I suggested in the trade forum that should we land the number one pick we should trade to New Orleans for Anthony Davis straight up. We didn't get the number one pick, and now we are hoping Marcus Smart is the gem he could possibly become. water under the bridge.

Anyway,  right now for me it would depend on whether I want to build this contender Lakers' style (free agency coups) in which I would vouch for Anthony Davis' track record, or Celtics' style (drafting, and trading assets), in which case I want Towns' upside

New Orleans wouldn't have traded him for Wiggins.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 06, 2016, 10:49:26 PM
Right now? The brow, no question.
I mean... I'm not big into advanced stats so I'm sure someone can give me a clear reason why Davis is obviously better... but I have to admit I genuinely don't know what that reason is.

Forget about long-term, where it seems Towns has a chance to be significantly better than Davis (Towns rookie stats are significantly better than Davis rookie stats)...

Explain to me why Davis is obviously better right now.

Davis Per-36 this season:  23.6 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.4 blocks with 49%/29%/76% shooting.

Towns Per-36 this season:  19.9 points, 12 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.8 steals, 2.2 blocks, 54%/39%/85%

Thing is, Towns is improving daily.  His role is also different than Davis.  Seems to me, Towns might be a better rebounder already and has the capacity to be a better offensive player already given his shooting range.   Also... both teams are garbage.  Wolves have 16 wins.  Pelicans have 18 wins.

Regardless, if Towns follows the path of most star prospects, he's going to make a dramatic leap from year 1 to year 2.  It's freaky that in year 1, he already looks like he might be close to what Davis is in year 4.

We're still learning what both of these guys can be, but obviously the rookie can show dramatic improvement over the next few years.   Here's a look at them both over their most recent 10 games:

Davis past 10 games:  25.3 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.1 blocks with 52%/33%/74% shooting in 35.8mpg (+/- of -2.4)

Towns past 10 games: 21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.2 blocks, 60%/43%/85% in 34.2mpg (+/- of +0.9)
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Bucketgetter on February 06, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
Here's Towns 32 points tonight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42jlDszQyd8

He's already really really good.  His range makes him special.
That video is insane. He looks like an under control Demarcus Cousins. I completely agree, go with Towns. For a guy who has progressed exponentially season after season, from high school to the pros, to suggest that he won't continue to improve is a little bit absurd. But even if he does flatline for some reason, he is already within range of being as good as AD. Right now, assuming no further progress, Towns is already bigger and stronger than AD, with a better shot. AD is quicker, more athletic, and better at defense.

Also, unrelated to the topic, I'm surprised to see the chemistry that Towns has with Dieng. But are considered centers, but both are solid defensively and can guard both PF/C positions. And on offense, with a team with very little shooting, both have nice inside out games with good midrange shots. Dieng is also a crafty player, and a good passer.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: MJohnnyboy on February 06, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAv6TE-MpIM

There is well, that guy.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: KeepRondo on February 06, 2016, 11:27:51 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAv6TE-MpIM

There is well, that guy.
Great player. Future NBA all star but not on Town's level.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: MJohnnyboy on February 06, 2016, 11:40:00 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAv6TE-MpIM

There is well, that guy.
Great player. Future NBA all star but not on Town's level.

Again, we'll have to see.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: BudweiserCeltic on February 06, 2016, 11:52:06 PM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAv6TE-MpIM

There is well, that guy.
Great player. Future NBA all star but not on Town's level.

Again, we'll have to see.

"We'll have to see" could be said about anyone, since the future is unknown.

But Towns is head and shoulders better currently. There's really little to debate on that in my opinion.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: MJohnnyboy on February 07, 2016, 12:08:11 AM
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Is it insane to even consider Towns over Davis at this point?

Yes.  We don't even know if Towns is the best big man in his draft class yet.
whaaaaaaaaaaat? Are you serious?  ::)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAv6TE-MpIM

There is well, that guy.
Great player. Future NBA all star but not on Town's level.

Again, we'll have to see.

"We'll have to see" could be said about anyone, since the future is unknown.

But Towns is head and shoulders better currently. There's really little to debate on that in my opinion.

So, we'll have to see.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Smartacus on February 07, 2016, 12:19:06 AM
Gotta say I'm still an AD guy until Towns proves me otherwise.

 Anthony Davis has proven thus far that he can produce at an elite level until I see Towns do that on a consistent basis I won't pick him over AD.

To me at this point Towns is a B+ Davis is an A.

Relatively speaking the gap between two may be small but when you considered that AD is already at the highest level it may as well be a valley.

Personally I don't think that Towns will ever be as good as Anthony Davis in terms of peak output
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Denis998 on February 07, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
on a winning team, Davis is a mvp candidate.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on February 07, 2016, 05:17:21 AM
on a winning team, Davis is a mvp candidate.
if he was an mvp candidate, they'd be a winning team.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: LarBrd33 on March 27, 2016, 09:07:08 PM
With Davis once again shut down for the rest of the season and Towns averaging 21.4 points, 10.8 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1 steal with 56% shooting in 36mpg since the all-star break... Wondering if anyone else has changed their view and would rather build around Towns heading forward. 
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: GetLucky on March 27, 2016, 09:25:30 PM
I'm a huge Towns fan. As a basketball card collector, I'm preparing to stock up on his good rookie cards now because I don't think he'll fall susceptible to the typical second-year price drop.

I like Towns' range and the fight in him. He is very critical of himself, even when he personally performs very well. Davis still seems to lack that day-to-day killer instinct that I think Towns has that is being fostered by KG. That, and AD is quickly approaching the "injury-prone" label.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: PhoSita on March 27, 2016, 09:44:57 PM
AD

I'm not sure Towns will ever be as much of a matchup nightmare scorer as AD already is.  When picking a build-around guy, my first priority is choosing a guy who can be unstoppable in multiple seven game series.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Ogaju on March 27, 2016, 09:49:33 PM
KAT
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Eja117 on March 27, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
KAT
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: PhoSita on March 27, 2016, 09:53:05 PM
on a winning team, Davis is a mvp candidate.
if he was an mvp candidate, they'd be a winning team.

In today's league I don't think anybody who plays primarily off the ball can carry a team of nobodys into the playoffs.  Decent point guard play and capable shooting matter too much.

The Pelicans gave a ton of minutes this season to guys who have no business being in an NBA rotation.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: fantankerous on March 27, 2016, 09:58:35 PM
With Davis once again shut down for the rest of the season and Towns averaging 21.4 points, 10.8 rebounds, 2.7 assists, 1.5 blocks, 1 steal with 56% shooting in 36mpg since the all-star break... Wondering if anyone else has changed their view and would rather build around Towns heading forward.

Yes, I've changed my mind.  As you mention, AD's health is the determining factor for me.  He can't seem to stay healthy. 

Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: chilidawg on March 27, 2016, 09:59:26 PM
Right now? The brow, no question.
I mean... I'm not big into advanced stats so I'm sure someone can give me a clear reason why Davis is obviously better... but I have to admit I genuinely don't know what that reason is.

Forget about long-term, where it seems Towns has a chance to be significantly better than Davis (Towns rookie stats are significantly better than Davis rookie stats)...

Explain to me why Davis is obviously better right now.

Davis Per-36 this season:  23.6 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.4 blocks with 49%/29%/76% shooting.

Towns Per-36 this season:  19.9 points, 12 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.8 steals, 2.2 blocks, 54%/39%/85%

Thing is, Towns is improving daily.  His role is also different than Davis.  Seems to me, Towns might be a better rebounder already and has the capacity to be a better offensive player already given his shooting range.   Also... both teams are garbage.  Wolves have 16 wins.  Pelicans have 18 wins.

Regardless, if Towns follows the path of most star prospects, he's going to make a dramatic leap from year 1 to year 2.  It's freaky that in year 1, he already looks like he might be close to what Davis is in year 4.

We're still learning what both of these guys can be, but obviously the rookie can show dramatic improvement over the next few years.   Here's a look at them both over their most recent 10 games:

Davis past 10 games:  25.3 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.1 blocks with 52%/33%/74% shooting in 35.8mpg (+/- of -2.4)

Towns past 10 games: 21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.2 blocks, 60%/43%/85% in 34.2mpg (+/- of +0.9)

FWIW, RPM has Davis at 2.38, 11th among PF.  Towns is at 1.31, 32nd among centers.   Towns is especially poor defensively compared to other centers.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Ogaju on March 27, 2016, 10:18:24 PM
Right now? The brow, no question.
I mean... I'm not big into advanced stats so I'm sure someone can give me a clear reason why Davis is obviously better... but I have to admit I genuinely don't know what that reason is.

Forget about long-term, where it seems Towns has a chance to be significantly better than Davis (Towns rookie stats are significantly better than Davis rookie stats)...

Explain to me why Davis is obviously better right now.

Davis Per-36 this season:  23.6 points, 10.4 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.4 blocks with 49%/29%/76% shooting.

Towns Per-36 this season:  19.9 points, 12 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 0.8 steals, 2.2 blocks, 54%/39%/85%

Thing is, Towns is improving daily.  His role is also different than Davis.  Seems to me, Towns might be a better rebounder already and has the capacity to be a better offensive player already given his shooting range.   Also... both teams are garbage.  Wolves have 16 wins.  Pelicans have 18 wins.

Regardless, if Towns follows the path of most star prospects, he's going to make a dramatic leap from year 1 to year 2.  It's freaky that in year 1, he already looks like he might be close to what Davis is in year 4.

We're still learning what both of these guys can be, but obviously the rookie can show dramatic improvement over the next few years.   Here's a look at them both over their most recent 10 games:

Davis past 10 games:  25.3 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2 assists, 1.3 steals, 2.1 blocks with 52%/33%/74% shooting in 35.8mpg (+/- of -2.4)

Towns past 10 games: 21.6 points, 12.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 0.7 steals, 2.2 blocks, 60%/43%/85% in 34.2mpg (+/- of +0.9)

FWIW, RPM has Davis at 2.38, 11th among PF.  Towns is at 1.31, 32nd among centers.   Towns is especially poor defensively compared to other centers.

KAT
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: RockinRyA on March 27, 2016, 10:22:47 PM
on a winning team, Davis is a mvp candidate.
if he was an mvp candidate, they'd be a winning team.

He was, last year. But I dont think its easy to carry a team to the playoffs with your roster riddled with injuries, esp if youve been injured yourself. The amount of injuries for the Pelicans this season is ridiculous.

Anyway back to the poll. I think Towns is a better player to build around, but Davis is a better plug N play guy, easier to put in a set team without hurting chemistry. Towns is a better no.1 option on a team, but Davis would be ridiculous as a no.2 or 3 guy. I still feel this is a prime Tim Duncan vs a prime Kevin Garnett debate. in 2k16 you pick whoever is left, but given their age, KATis better because there are almost no busts in 2k16.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on March 27, 2016, 10:23:59 PM
KAT, especially with KG mentoring him.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Roy H. on October 11, 2018, 11:49:50 PM
With both KAT and Davis in the news a bit recently, it's sort of funny to look back on this thread. 

I *hate* bumping old threads, but I think this one helps inform some of the debates we're having now.  Yes, Anthony Davis *is* that good.  Yes, he's worth just about any young prospect in the game.  No, the "next big thing" isn't always going to become a top-five player.  Players don't always progress as we expect them to.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: CelticsElite on October 11, 2018, 11:57:05 PM
Butler said there’s 1 player on the wolves who “doesn’t play to to win games” and it’s a reason why he wants off the team. I suspect it’s KAT
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Roy H. on October 12, 2018, 12:00:03 AM
Butler said there’s 1 player on the wolves who “doesn’t play to to win games” and it’s a reason why he wants off the team. I suspect it’s KAT

I'd say Wiggins, but they're both good candidates, unfortunately. 

If those two played up to their two-way potential, the Wolves would be a top-tier team.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: gouki88 on October 12, 2018, 12:19:05 AM
Butler said there’s 1 player on the wolves who “doesn’t play to to win games” and it’s a reason why he wants off the team. I suspect it’s KAT

I'd say Wiggins, but they're both good candidates, unfortunately. 

If those two played up to their two-way potential, the Wolves would be a top-tier team.
It’s insane how much talent and athleticism is wasted between those two
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: nickagneta on October 12, 2018, 12:20:35 AM
Funny to look back and see so many thinking KAT, a guy that has never played defense, even at Kentucky,  would be better than Davis. It's especially funny to see one poster go through all sorts of mental gymnastics to prove KAT was better, when clearly, he never has been.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: csfansince60s on October 12, 2018, 12:24:51 AM
KAT for 3 reasons:

1. KAT  loves Big Al.....the Dominican connection is strong among those two. Towns has looked up to Horford for a long time as a role model and inspiration. Al would bring out the best in this kid which is a pleasantly scary propsition.

2. Davis fragility and his numerous, varied injury history, but particularly his left knee.

3. KAT will cost a lot less.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Roy H. on October 12, 2018, 12:37:24 AM
KAT for 3 reasons:

1. KAT  loves Big Al.....the Dominican connection is strong among those two. Towns has looked up to Horford for a long time as a role model and inspiration. Al would bring out the best in this kid which is a pleasantly scary propsition.

2. Davis fragility and his numerous, varied injury history, but particularly his left knee.

3. KAT will cost a lot less.

You're forgetting the important one, though:  Davis is, and has always been, a superior player.  Also, to date KAT has shown no heart.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: gouki88 on October 12, 2018, 01:08:06 AM
KAT for 3 reasons:

1. KAT  loves Big Al.....the Dominican connection is strong among those two. Towns has looked up to Horford for a long time as a role model and inspiration. Al would bring out the best in this kid which is a pleasantly scary propsition.

2. Davis fragility and his numerous, varied injury history, but particularly his left knee.

3. KAT will cost a lot less.

You're forgetting the important one, though:  Davis is, and has always been, a superior player.  Also, to date KAT has shown no heart.
Yeah, and the superiority you rightly mention is significant. A recognisably better offensive player, and an immeasurably better defensive presence.
Title: Re: Pick one to build a team around: Anthony Davis or Karl Towns
Post by: Androslav on October 12, 2018, 02:02:27 AM
Davis, easily.
He is a much more complete player.
Better by miles defensively and physically.
Seems more determined.
Offense game is a wash at best considering KAT is younger.
KAT has better touch though.