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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: rondohondo on January 27, 2013, 08:30:54 PM
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say KG decides to retire after this year. KG would be 12.4 mil off the books, you can then cut PP and only have 4 mil count against the cap.
so that would bring the team salary down from 70 mil to around 46 or 47 mil for next season.
The salary cap for this season is 58 mil , so we would have about 10 -12 mil to spend.
If Danny can trade Bass and/or terry for expiring contracts , we could actually have enough money to offer a max contract next season.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
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Give Rondo a 5-year deal eventually! Or Sully!
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Players to get next season for max which Im not sure we could do is...
Josh Smith
OJ Mayo
Andre Iguodala
Chris Paul(not happening)
Dwight Howard
Tyreke Evans(restricted)
Big Al
Paul Millsap
Could get Smith,Mayo,Evans,Millsap, and maybe Big Al for that money.
No body that will save the franchise, but this might be the future for a little while...:(
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Players to get next season for max which Im not sure we could do is...
Josh Smith
OJ Mayo
Andre Iguodala
Chris Paul(not happening)
Dwight Howard
Tyreke Evans(restricted)
Big Al
Paul Millsap
Could get Smith,Mayo,Evans,Millsap, and maybe Big Al for that money.
No body that will save the franchise, but this might be the future for a little while...:(
if you can clear enough money(trading bass and Jet for expiring) you can probably have a shot at adding smith and Mayo
PG: Rondo / Bradley
SG: Mayo / Lee
SF: Green / ?
PF: Smith / Sully
c: ? / Melo
Not a bad start for the rebuild
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Players to get next season for max which Im not sure we could do is...
Josh Smith
OJ Mayo
Andre Iguodala
Chris Paul(not happening)
Dwight Howard
Tyreke Evans(restricted)
Big Al
Paul Millsap
Could get Smith,Mayo,Evans,Millsap, and maybe Big Al for that money.
No body that will save the franchise, but this might be the future for a little while...:(
if you can clear enough money(trading bass and Jet for expiring) you can probably have a shot at adding smith and Mayo
PG: Rondo / Bradley
SG: Mayo / Lee
SF: Green / ?
PF: Smith / Sully
c: ? / Melo
Not a bad start for the rebuild
I could live with that for a season or two. Team could be fun to watch at least.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
how much would he count against the cap then?
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
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Just trade them. That'll get 'em of the books.
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Just trade them. That'll get 'em of the books.
I agree , but obviously only if you can get expiring contracts back. If nothing else at least you'll pick up a few draft picks and make sure to be in a good position with the team salary entering free agency next year with enough cap space to make moves.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
I feel like this would make the most sense.
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Players to get next season for max which Im not sure we could do is...
Josh Smith
OJ Mayo
Andre Iguodala
Chris Paul(not happening)
Dwight Howard
Tyreke Evans(restricted)
Big Al
Paul Millsap
Could get Smith,Mayo,Evans,Millsap, and maybe Big Al for that money.
No body that will save the franchise, but this might be the future for a little while...:(
if you can clear enough money(trading bass and Jet for expiring) you can probably have a shot at adding smith and Mayo
PG: Rondo / Bradley
SG: Mayo / Lee
SF: Green / ?
PF: Smith / Sully
c: ? / Melo
Not a bad start for the rebuild
I could live with that for a season or two. Team could be fun to watch at least.
Me too. Exciting Celtics basketball again!
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
From what I see, illness or injury is required. But I see some language that insinuates payment towards the player at the discretion of the team.
So if we continue paying KG, that will count towards the salary cap. The faq is not very clear on the issue.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
On twitter John Duke said that even if KG and Pierce retired they would only have $4 MM of cap space.
I read that 5MM of Pierce's contract is guaranteed next year. Duke believes that this is true even if Pierce retires? This doesn't make sense to me does anyone agree with this?
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
From what I see, illness or injury is required. But I see some language that insinuates payment towards the player at the discretion of the team.
So if we continue paying KG, that will count towards the salary cap. The faq is not very clear on the issue.
In a buyout a player gets paid the agreed amount. A player can retire at any time, which does 2 things: forfeits their income on the contract, and prevents them from being able to sign with another team.
Think about it this way:
-a player cannot sign a max deal then "retire" and still get paid.
-if a player loses their passion, they can walk away at any time, but they don't get paid for it.
-a player cannot 'retire' from a bad situation then just turn around and sign with a new team.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
From what I see, illness or injury is required. But I see some language that insinuates payment towards the player at the discretion of the team.
So if we continue paying KG, that will count towards the salary cap. The faq is not very clear on the issue.
Yeah, as I understand it, only the amount actually paid to a player counts.
So, if a guy formally retired before July 1, his entire salary would come off the books. If he retires after July 1, I think it depends upon the schedule upon which that player is paid (as some contracts accelerate payments to earlier in the season, I believe). Any money actually paid to a player counts against the cap.
Here's how Larry Coon phrases it:
There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.
The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 77), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. ...
Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.
So, if no money is paid, nothing is included in team salary.
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Nope, KG won't come off the books as far as I know.
This. You don't get out of a contract just because the player retires.
If a player formally retires with the league and decides to forego his remaining salary, his salary is removed from the books, I believe.
From what I see, illness or injury is required. But I see some language that insinuates payment towards the player at the discretion of the team.
So if we continue paying KG, that will count towards the salary cap. The faq is not very clear on the issue.
Yeah, as I understand it, only the amount actually paid to a player counts.
So, if a guy formally retired before July 1, his entire salary would come off the books. If he retires after July 1, I think it depends upon the schedule upon which that player is paid (as some contracts accelerate payments to earlier in the season, I believe). Any money actually paid to a player counts against the cap.
Here's how Larry Coon phrases it:
There's nothing binding about a player announcing his retirement. The player can still sign a new contract and continue playing (if he's not under contract), or return to his team (if he is still under contract) and resume his career.
The only exception to this is when a player is still under contract, wants to quit, and his team doesn't want to let him out of his contract. Under these circumstances the player can file for retirement with the league. The player is placed on the league's Voluntarily Retired list (see question number 77), forgoes his remaining salary, and cannot return to the league for one year. The latter requirement prevents players from using retirement as an underhanded way to change teams, and can be overridden with unanimous approval from all 30 teams. ...
Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.
So, if no money is paid, nothing is included in team salary.
Interesting. Thanks.
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No. C's would have maybe 5 million once you account for all contracts, rookies, and cap holds. Once again reiterating why this past summer was so bad. 30+ million signed in the poo poo platter of Terry, Green, Bass, and Lee. Just a horrid off season all around.
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No. C's would have maybe 5 million once you account for all contracts, rookies, and cap holds. Once again reiterating why this past summer was so bad. 30+ million signed in the poo poo platter of Terry, Green, Bass, and Lee. Just a horrid off season all around.
That's why now it's so important to try to trade Terry and Bass at the deadline for ANY expiring contracts they can get for them. That takes off another 11 million.
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No. C's would have maybe 5 million once you account for all contracts, rookies, and cap holds. Once again reiterating why this past summer was so bad. 30+ million signed in the poo poo platter of Terry, Green, Bass, and Lee. Just a horrid off season all around.
That's why now it's so important to try to trade Terry and Bass at the deadline for ANY expiring contracts they can get for them. That takes off another 11 million.
I think it will be very difficult to trade them for expiring contracts. I came up with one that i think makes sense for the acquiring team. Terry traded to Indiana for Augustin, but that is about the only one I could come up with. The reality is those 4 guys are crap at their current contracts. It was a terrible off season for Boston. I hated it at the time and hate it even more now. Frankly, I have no idea why Ainge was given such a pass by the media this past summer. The writing was clearly on the wall that the 30+ million of floatsam was going to be bad signings.
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No. C's would have maybe 5 million once you account for all contracts, rookies, and cap holds. Once again reiterating why this past summer was so bad. 30+ million signed in the poo poo platter of Terry, Green, Bass, and Lee. Just a horrid off season all around.
That's why now it's so important to try to trade Terry and Bass at the deadline for ANY expiring contracts they can get for them. That takes off another 11 million.
I think it will be very difficult to trade them for expiring contracts. I came up with one that i think makes sense for the acquiring team. Terry traded to Indiana for Augustin, but that is about the only one I could come up with. The reality is those 4 guys are crap at their current contracts. It was a terrible off season for Boston. I hated it at the time and hate it even more now. Frankly, I have no idea why Ainge was given such a pass by the media this past summer. The writing was clearly on the wall that the 30+ million of floatsam was going to be bad signings.
If they all had the seasons they had last year (and Green the season before) you wouldnt be saying this. Lee is playing well, Green is coming around. Unfortunately it looked like Bass was playing harder due to his contract year and Terry just hasnt fit yet. All of these guys play to their potential or to their numbers last year and theres no way you could say it was a crappy offseason.
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Moranis given that you've wanted to entirely blow up Bobcats style for over a year you shouldn't be shocked when everyone doesn't see "the writing on the wall" with you in Boston among the fanbase and media.