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Title: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy Hobbs on January 21, 2010, 08:01:20 PM
The staff has been receiving complaints on an increasing basis lately concerning conduct in the Game Threads forum.  We have investigated these complaints, and agree that things are getting out of hand.

The game threads are becoming increasingly nasty and vitriolic, both towards the team and toward one another. This conduct needs to stop, as it is ruining the enjoyment for others on the site.

Toward that end, let me remind everyone of the following rules:


Quote from: Celticsblog Rules
  • Respect each other at all times. There is no need for name-calling or harassment of any poster. This includes behavior in all areas of Celticsblog, including forum posts, blog comments and personal messages. While we encourage lively debate there is no reason for anyone to disrespect a fellow poster's ideas.
  • Keep all commentary civil, and be courteous to all. Constructive criticism is welcome, but insults directed towards other users or the site staff will not be tolerated. Coarse/insulting language is not allowed under any circumstances.  This prohibition also extends to any off color or inappropriate remarks. Sarcasm can be misinterpreted, so be very careful when using it in a post.
  • Do not label fellow posters in a way that is likely to provoke a negative response.  Dependent upon context, examples include, but are not limited to, "fake fan", "bandwagon fan", "not a real fan", "hater", "homer", "koolaid drinker", etc.
  • No swearing! There is absolutely no need for swearing in any post. If you can't find another way to express your opinion, buy a thesaurus. Any forum post, blog comment or personal message with profanity, masked profanity, abbreviations referring to profanity, or allusions to profanity (i.e., **** or @#$#, etc.), whether or not caught by the blog filter, will be deleted.
  • Do not "hijack" threads, either by taking them off topic or making them your own personal sounding post.  Generally, it is not appropriate to post in the same thread several times in a row to get your point across.
  • Do not “lure” or “bait” others towards rule-breaking behavior.  This prohibition applies site-wide.  Responding to such “bait” in a manner that violates Celticsblog rules is equally inappropriate, and is subject to the same level of punishment.
  • No “trolling”.  Commenting in a thread in a manner that is likely to provoke an angry response from others is not permitted.
  • The Celticsblog staff reserves the right to revoke the posting privileges of any member who is systematically negating the ability of others to enjoy this site.

Obviously, the hope is that everyone can take a deep breath, and we can keep the game threads civil, as they have largely been over the past several seasons.  However, if the recent problems continue, the staff will have no choice but to suspend access to the Game Threads forum to repeat offenders.  Hopefully, it doesn't come to that, as we'd like everybody to have the right to watch and enjoy the game in peace.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Chief on January 21, 2010, 11:10:14 PM
This confuses me very much. I've been a very regular poster in the game thread forum for years. I enjoy bashing Doc's bad decisions and Scals poor play as much as I love praising Rondo and KG for all the things they do right. I hope all of this stuff is still legal. But I see posters calling out other posters for negative comments about the C's poor play. And I think that is where the fighting starts. IMO, if you don't like something negative someone writes, ignore it.  :-\


I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure what I write is legal. I think it is but I'm not sure. I'm not always positive and I'm sure something I have written has provoked an angry response. But I love this Celtics as much as anyone on this site and think I contribute as best I can.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BASS_THUMPER on January 21, 2010, 11:11:57 PM
i love all yall...

*sippin*
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: PosImpos on January 22, 2010, 01:26:08 AM
This confuses me very much. I've been a very regular poster in the game thread forum for years. I enjoy bashing Doc's bad decisions and Scals poor play as much as I love praising Rondo and KG for all the things they do right. I hope all of this stuff is still legal. But I see posters calling out other posters for negative comments about the C's poor play. And I think that is where the fighting starts. IMO, if you don't like something negative someone writes, ignore it.  :-\


I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure what I write is legal. I think it is but I'm not sure. I'm not always positive and I'm sure something I have written has provoked an angry response. But I love this Celtics as much as anyone on this site and think I contribute as best I can.

I agree.

Attacking other people = unacceptable.

Attacking the Celtics for playing like a bunch of wounded donkeys = perfectly acceptable / understandable / necessary to relieve mounting fury.

I think the people who get bent out of shape about people who are "pessimistic" are as much to blame as the people who overreact when people are excessively "optimistic."
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: jdpapa3 on January 22, 2010, 05:31:59 AM
Thank you for making this post Roy.

I have had the issue because it was the same guys doing the complaining when we had the top ranked defense and a top 10 offense. And it is the way that they complain that is too much to handle. I'm fine when someone calls out a coach or a player for having a bad game or a bad play. But these guys were complaining that we weren't winning every game by 20. They think every other team in the league is awful and try to flip out in a close game. Comments like "if you aren't going to blow out the sixers at home, you just aren't going to win the championship." It's like they forgot that the last 2 champions have done exactly that.

It just gets to be too much when people go after the excuse of no KG.

Weren't we still 90-1 odds to win the championship before the KG trade? ;)
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy Hobbs on January 22, 2010, 07:10:18 AM
This confuses me very much. I've been a very regular poster in the game thread forum for years. I enjoy bashing Doc's bad decisions and Scals poor play as much as I love praising Rondo and KG for all the things they do right. I hope all of this stuff is still legal. But I see posters calling out other posters for negative comments about the C's poor play. And I think that is where the fighting starts. IMO, if you don't like something negative someone writes, ignore it.  :-\


I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure what I write is legal. I think it is but I'm not sure. I'm not always positive and I'm sure something I have written has provoked an angry response. But I love this Celtics as much as anyone on this site and think I contribute as best I can.

Nobody is saying that people can't critique the team, point out flaws, or express frustration.  Our concern is in-fighting and nastiness.  A lot of what has gone on in the game threads lately has trended perilously close to the lines of trolling, baiting, and hijacking.  Predictably, people are responding to that, and things are quickly getting out of hand.

I'm a frequenter of the game threads myself.  In recent weeks, they've been more caustic than at any time since I've been on this blog, and that's not the type of community we're trying to promote.  People can disagree about the team's play, the direction of the team, Doc's decisions, etc.  What they can't do -- regardless of viewpoint -- is disrespect the opinions of other fans.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy Hobbs on January 22, 2010, 07:13:45 AM
As an example of one type of comment that we find distasteful, we've seen a lot statements like "This team sucks, and if you can't see it, you're wearing green-colored glasses" or "... if you can't see it, you're not watching the games" or, essentially, " ... if you can't see it, you're a moron". 

Statements like those all fall firmly within the "Do not label fellow posters in a way that is likely to provoke a negative response" category.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on May 04, 2011, 06:26:58 PM
It may be time for another reminder.  At least a couple good C-Blog members posted yesterday that they'd had enough of the perpetual griping and defeatism on the game thread. 

Now I have too. 

Several years ago I started hanging out on the game thread (yes, regular season too) and learned to see and interpret games better.  I understood the games and the game of basketball more thoroughly thanks to the other members on game thread.  Today, and for me personally, the bad now far outweighs the good.  The griping and sniping clutter the posts, while the really insightful posts have become fewer and fewer as fans--C-Blog fans--appear to be leaving.

Some will suggest that if I can't stand the heat I should get out of the kitchen, and that's fine.  My interest in the thread started to wane last year.  In my own mind, I'm leaving the kitchen again because it has deteriorated to the point where there's little to be gained by staying.  Hoped it would be like the old days during the playoffs, but I guess not.  I will miss the camaraderie and the basketball acumen I enjoyed from other C-bloggers, but most of that is already gone already.  Just see the date of the OP to see how long the decline has been.

Moderators, I can't really ask that you do more than you already do, but it would be wonderful if somehow the game thread as a resource and community could be revived. 

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 04, 2011, 06:36:30 PM
It may be time for another reminder.  At least a couple good C-Blog members posted yesterday that they'd had enough of the perpetual griping and defeatism on the game thread. 

Now I have too. 

Several years ago I started hanging out on the game thread (yes, regular season too) and learned to see and interpret games better.  I understood the games and the game of basketball more thoroughly thanks to the other members on game thread.  Today, and for me personally, the bad now far outweighs the good.  The griping and sniping clutter the posts, while the really insightful posts have become fewer and fewer as fans--C-Blog fans--appear to be leaving.

Some will suggest that if I can't stand the heat I should get out of the kitchen, and that's fine.  My interest in the thread started to wane last year.  In my own mind, I'm leaving the kitchen again because it has deteriorated to the point where there's little to be gained by staying.  Hoped it would be like the old days during the playoffs, but I guess not.  I will miss the camaraderie and the basketball acumen I enjoyed from other C-bloggers, but most of that is already gone already.  Just see the date of the OP to see how long the decline has been.

Moderators, I can't really ask that you do more than you already do, but it would be wonderful if somehow the game thread as a resource and community could be revived. 



This...is some of the reason why I don't post here quite as much anymore.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: nickagneta on May 04, 2011, 06:42:56 PM
It may be time for another reminder.  At least a couple good C-Blog members posted yesterday that they'd had enough of the perpetual griping and defeatism on the game thread. 

Now I have too. 

Several years ago I started hanging out on the game thread (yes, regular season too) and learned to see and interpret games better.  I understood the games and the game of basketball more thoroughly thanks to the other members on game thread.  Today, and for me personally, the bad now far outweighs the good.  The griping and sniping clutter the posts, while the really insightful posts have become fewer and fewer as fans--C-Blog fans--appear to be leaving.

Some will suggest that if I can't stand the heat I should get out of the kitchen, and that's fine.  My interest in the thread started to wane last year.  In my own mind, I'm leaving the kitchen again because it has deteriorated to the point where there's little to be gained by staying.  Hoped it would be like the old days during the playoffs, but I guess not.  I will miss the camaraderie and the basketball acumen I enjoyed from other C-bloggers, but most of that is already gone already.  Just see the date of the OP to see how long the decline has been.

Moderators, I can't really ask that you do more than you already do, but it would be wonderful if somehow the game thread as a resource and community could be revived. 


TP and amen to that.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Atzar on May 04, 2011, 06:46:46 PM
It may be time for another reminder.  At least a couple good C-Blog members posted yesterday that they'd had enough of the perpetual griping and defeatism on the game thread. 

Now I have too. 

Several years ago I started hanging out on the game thread (yes, regular season too) and learned to see and interpret games better.  I understood the games and the game of basketball more thoroughly thanks to the other members on game thread.  Today, and for me personally, the bad now far outweighs the good.  The griping and sniping clutter the posts, while the really insightful posts have become fewer and fewer as fans--C-Blog fans--appear to be leaving.

Some will suggest that if I can't stand the heat I should get out of the kitchen, and that's fine.  My interest in the thread started to wane last year.  In my own mind, I'm leaving the kitchen again because it has deteriorated to the point where there's little to be gained by staying.  Hoped it would be like the old days during the playoffs, but I guess not.  I will miss the camaraderie and the basketball acumen I enjoyed from other C-bloggers, but most of that is already gone already.  Just see the date of the OP to see how long the decline has been.

Moderators, I can't really ask that you do more than you already do, but it would be wonderful if somehow the game thread as a resource and community could be revived. 



I agree completely.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Mr October on May 04, 2011, 06:48:11 PM
The game threads used to be a fun place to root for the team. Yeah... add me to the group that barely goes in them anymore. Its turned into a pretty miserable place.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy H. on May 04, 2011, 06:54:03 PM
I respect the opinion of all those who have left the game threads because they became too negative / intolerable for their liking.

At the same time, if all the positive members bail, what do people think the tone will be like?  There are at least a half dozen members who have commented that they've left.  Wouldn't six strong voices cheering on the team contribute to the atmosphere that you at one time liked, and now miss?

I don't know.  I'm sympathetic to the complaints about the tone.  I personally think the game threads have been better than last year, with most of the gripes directed at poor play rather than at one another.  For me, the only comments that I have a problem with are the "this game is over" comments made at halftime, etc.  Such comments -- even out of frustration -- really don't do anything positive, and at the same time just rile up a lot of fans who are still pulling for the team to win.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but as always, we're open for suggestions.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on May 04, 2011, 07:09:12 PM
Roy - I respect the job that you and the other Mods have here, and I believe that you all do an admirable job despite the circumstances.

It's just that here lately - to post on the Blog is to me like trying to navigate a Minefield. You have to be careful of when to post, what you post - because someone could blow up.

I have no intention of leaving the Blog, but rather than trying to navigate the negativity, I'd rather keep my limbs about me :) and post not quite as much.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: 18isGREATERthan72 on May 04, 2011, 07:25:17 PM
I don't mind "negative" posts, as far as how a player is performing, or how the team is performing, but it's obvious that when you start to attack another poster, only bad things can happen.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Kiorrik on May 04, 2011, 07:34:04 PM
Hate to say this, guys, but it's mainly up to us as regular users to take the game-thread back where we want it to be, since there's not much we can do as moderators.

You all know how much of a slippery slope it is, moderating heavily opiniated, adrenaline filled threads. There's little difference between a single "Oh man Tony Allen sucks!" post and fifty "Doc Rivers should be fire, we're going to lose" posts.

We can't "make people post constructive criticism", or turn them into professional analysts. That's something we'll have to do ourselves by setting the bar high for our own posts.

And if you have some knowledgable friends, people that know their basketball and know how to think objectively, bring 'm in! Spread the word! Rally for the cause! :D

Set the example, raise the bar, tell a friend! ;)
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Celticsfan336 on May 04, 2011, 07:44:10 PM
I feel that the controversial subjects such as Jeff Green, Big Baby, Rondo, Doc, etc. bring out fire in Celtics fan.

It is fine to get into a debate with a Celtic fan, but keep in mind we all have the same goal here, and thats 18...no one should harass another member for their views.

Calling out Glen Davis on the other hand, for his poorous play, in my opinion, is perfectly fine, right?
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: mgent on May 04, 2011, 07:56:33 PM
Everything in this thread goes double for the chat.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: JT11 on May 04, 2011, 08:09:11 PM
I feel that the controversial subjects such as Jeff Green, Big Baby, Rondo, Doc, etc. bring out fire in Celtics fan.

It is fine to get into a debate with a Celtic fan, but keep in mind we all have the same goal here, and thats 18...no one should harass another member for their views.

Calling out Glen Davis on the other hand, for his poorous play, in my opinion, is perfectly fine, right?

I don't think the problem is with "calling out players"; my personal opinion is that if a player isn't playing well, then fans have a right to criticise them.

However, at the same time, I don't think anyone has a right to attack players, Doc, other fans, etc., and from what I've seen, there's been a lot of that in the game threads.   
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: PosImpos on May 04, 2011, 08:29:41 PM
I think it's worth pointing out that the tone in the game threads gets gradually worse as the play of the Celtics gets worse . . .

Although this blog existed before the Celtics enjoyed the kind of success they've enjoyed the past few years, back then there wasn't the same pressure and expectation for the team to win it all.  Now, there is that expectation, and it's much more difficult to remain positive when it appears as though the team is going to fall short of that expectation.  In other words, I think part of the "epidemic" of negativity is a result of the fans on this forum reacting in an emotional way to the slow but nonetheless apparent decline of the team.

That by no means excuses posters from becoming aggressive or excessively snarky toward one another, but it at least explains to a large degree what's going on.  I think there needs to be some understanding that people who are being negative are not bailing on the team or revealing that they aren't as dedicated as the fans who choose to remain positive . . . it is one coping mechanism for dealing with something very difficult -- the disappointment of seeing a team in which you've invested a lot of emotional energy over a long period of time fall short of your hopes and expectations for them.

I guess my point is that I don't think the average poster on Celticsblog now is of a lower quality than the average poster from a few years ago.  We're watching a different team than a few years ago.

I want to echo Kiorrik's statements, though, that it's up to regular, recognizable posters to set a good example and try to maintain a civil environment in the game threads, whether you choose to be optimistic or pessimistic.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BballTim on May 04, 2011, 08:31:05 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: PosImpos on May 04, 2011, 08:38:35 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BballTim on May 04, 2011, 08:52:44 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: The DarkPassenger on May 04, 2011, 09:13:17 PM
I know I am still probably considered new to this blog but I must say that game threads are sometimes difficult to be in and that was not why I joined. Sometimes I would go into a thread, maybe post one or two things then I'd see where the thread was going and just click the "X" button and enjoy the game. I have fallen into some spells sometimes but I would like to think that I am pretty respectful of others on here.

I wish it were different and I could give some insight on what little basketball knowledge I have. I am a fan of Nate Robinson who was with us and wanted to explain more than a few times on why I thought he was in such a incredibly horrible and long slump but mentioning his name was a hot button I noticed quickly and I just kept silent for the most part.

I like how you Mods run this site and wish some others would do it this way. I am by no means against swearing, dirty jokes or anything like that, I swear a lot and enjoy pretty much any joke but still enjoy this site and adjust to it.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: PosImpos on May 04, 2011, 09:27:34 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on May 04, 2011, 09:29:35 PM
I respect the opinion of all those who have left the game threads because they became too negative / intolerable for their liking.

At the same time, if all the positive members bail, what do people think the tone will be like?  There are at least a half dozen members who have commented that they've left.  Wouldn't six strong voices cheering on the team contribute to the atmosphere that you at one time liked, and now miss?

I don't know.  I'm sympathetic to the complaints about the tone.  I personally think the game threads have been better than last year, with most of the gripes directed at poor play rather than at one another.  For me, the only comments that I have a problem with are the "this game is over" comments made at halftime, etc.  Such comments -- even out of frustration -- really don't do anything positive, and at the same time just rile up a lot of fans who are still pulling for the team to win.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but as always, we're open for suggestions.

I think that all the Mods do a good and honest job enforcing the rules as they are, and I love the game summaries. 

IMHO, some folks don't understand "just because you can doesn't mean you ought to."  I came back to give the threads a go and yes, the Downers (used as an identifier, not a perjorative) are still spoiling it for the rest of us.  Actually some are intent on spoiling it for the rest of us, self-righteously clinging to their "right to post" over their responsibility to the community of C-Blog.  My option under the rules is to vote with my feet by joining the other CBloggers who have found better ways to enjoy games.  Which is OK.  Really.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on May 04, 2011, 09:34:42 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.

Now see, I thought BballTim was complimenting me on my patience.  :D  Seriously I did like the witty turn of perspective, even if it might have been meant to make us think about what it might be like for the shoe to be on the other foot?  
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Chief on May 04, 2011, 10:13:38 PM
I kinda like the Eeyore type posters. Very humorous. Especially when the Celtics come back and win the game or the series. Every fan is different. Some are just like that.  :)
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BballTim on May 05, 2011, 04:39:31 AM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.

  I would disagree with this. "naysayer" is meant to group people based on their general (at this point in time) negative viewpoint. I guess I could have said detractors, would that have been better? "kool-aid drinkers" is a term that is meant to demean the opinion of people with a positive viewpoint.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: PosImpos on May 05, 2011, 04:50:49 AM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.

  I would disagree with this. "naysayer" is meant to group people based on their general (at this point in time) negative viewpoint. I guess I could have said detractors, would that have been better? "kool-aid drinkers" is a term that is meant to demean the opinion of people with a positive viewpoint.


yeah, but in the context of your post "naysayers" had a similarly demeaning and dismissive tone.  you may not have meant it that way, but that's the way it comes across.

it's not so much which word you chose to use, it's the fact that you implied that what those sorts of people post on the forum is not about what's actually happening on the court but is simply a result of who they are as people (e.g. that they require "self control" to keep from posting negative things about the team regardless of the circumstances).  that's similar but opposite to the connotation of "kool aid drinkers."
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Drucci on May 05, 2011, 05:34:30 AM
I agree that the game threads' usual insightftul discussions and cheering for the C's have long be gone and it's not a pleasure anymore to post in them, it even gets frustrating more often than not.

Obviously you can't force posters to stick to certain opinions and never be negative but the line has been crossed repeatedly lately. I remember a time when threads were filled with positive posts and "I still believe!" comments even when the situation looked bad for the team in some games. I remember seeing a lot of motivational videos or pictures, funny ones and motivating ones, a good mood full of hope, some kind of confidence and most of all togetherness as fans.

To me, now it seems like we are not a united Celtics fans group but that we are divided between "optimist Celtics fans" (known by the others as "homers") and "pessimistic Celtics fans" (known by the others as "haters/debbie downers"). It seems caricatural but the reality is not that far from it and it's a shame. Every time I post messages like "things look bad but we can still do it" I see people approving my comment and others saying I'm a homer, etc. It's not what I call constructive discussions.

With that said, what can we do about it? Well I think the first thing (obvious maybe but still) is to keep posting. I know the threads get so annoying at times you just want to shut them down and stay away but every poster has to keep in the threads.  Then just take the comments from other posters with some kind of distance, the important thing is to react and discuss some points you may or may not agree with, not to label someone into a category or shout at them because they don't share your opinion.

And finally I think it's important that posters cheer in unity whenever the team is making a good run or making a comeback.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Casperian on May 05, 2011, 07:39:41 AM
I feel that the controversial subjects such as Jeff Green, Big Baby, Rondo, Doc, etc. bring out fire in Celtics fan.

It is fine to get into a debate with a Celtic fan, but keep in mind we all have the same goal here, and thats 18...no one should harass another member for their views.

Calling out Glen Davis on the other hand, for his poorous play, in my opinion, is perfectly fine, right?

I don't think the problem is with "calling out players"; my personal opinion is that if a player isn't playing well, then fans have a right to criticise them.

However, at the same time, I don't think anyone has a right to attack players, Doc, other fans, etc., and from what I've seen, there's been a lot of that in the game threads.   

I agree with this. Iīm perfectly fine with posters who criticize Baby for bad play. However, most of the posts in the game thread degenerate to a bunch of "Yo Momma" jokes, with a lot of unnecessary vitriol, many of them already in the first quarter of games in which Baby really didnīt play bad. It seems like people are using 50/50 situations to justify their anger about the whole situation. Maybe theyīre just looking for Tommy Points...

On topic, Iīm certainly not a person who has a problem with negative posts, criticism is good and necessary if itīs meant to be constructive, but even I can see that the game threads have become hard to read.

Several things:

1. Criticism is not constructive if itīs a simple "This team sucks". That isnīt criticism, itīs venting.

2. The above is especially true during the playoffs, maybe even after the trade deadline. What you see is what you get. This team wonīt change, no matter how hard you scream.

3. Itīs not more than a handful of people who are massively negative in the game threads.

4. Iīve seen "this team sucks because of stat X" posts even when weīre up, or in the first quarter of a game. This is absolutely ridiculous and shows a lack of any sort of context and thus interest in constructive criticism.

5. Just because you repeat your opinion every day doesnīt make it more valid. This goes for every opinion, positive or negative.

My simple solution, and I know this goes against the spirit of Celticsblog, is an "ignore list". Itīs what you do in real life with people you canīt stand, donīt care about their opinion or tell you "the end is near" to avoid constant debates, in-fighting or bad mood.

Ignore lists are not perfect, because they lead some people to ignore anyone who is of opposite opinion, and the exchange of different opinions is what makes the blog great. They also invite some people to show other posters a lack of respect, by telling them they are on their respective lists (which could be circumvented by an additional rule). Still, they would dramatically decrease the amount of in-fighting in game threads.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BballTim on May 05, 2011, 10:06:54 AM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.

  I would disagree with this. "naysayer" is meant to group people based on their general (at this point in time) negative viewpoint. I guess I could have said detractors, would that have been better? "kool-aid drinkers" is a term that is meant to demean the opinion of people with a positive viewpoint.


yeah, but in the context of your post "naysayers" had a similarly demeaning and dismissive tone.  you may not have meant it that way, but that's the way it comes across.

it's not so much which word you chose to use, it's the fact that you implied that what those sorts of people post on the forum is not about what's actually happening on the court but is simply a result of who they are as people (e.g. that they require "self control" to keep from posting negative things about the team regardless of the circumstances).  that's similar but opposite to the connotation of "kool aid drinkers."

  Aside from the jest in my post, you read way too much meaning into a single word. Would you have been happier with "people who wish to post strongly negative opinions"? Because, frankly, naysayer is shorter and generally doesn't imply a lack of self control. Most of the more negative posters enjoy referring to themselves as realists, but they don't really have the track record to make that claim.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: fairweatherfan on May 05, 2011, 11:23:59 AM
Warning, long post ahead:

I have a rule of thumb about sports:  I watch them for pleasure, and if something sports-related starts to make me unhappy, I get away from it as soon as possible.  Like a lot of posters, lately the game threads have fallen into that category.

I joined this site during the championship year, and maybe the biggest shock of that season was when we fell behind early in Game 5 against Cleveland.  Despite the series being 2-2, and it being early in the 2nd quarter, multiple game thread posters started loudly and angrily declaring that the season was over and Danny and Doc had ruined the team.  We all know how that game, series, and season turned out, of course.

Now it's three years later and many of the same people (and some new ones) have been doing the exact same thing for those three seasons, up to and including Tuesday's game.  Which is basically my main point - a lot of the posters that are driving people away from the game threads have complained and Chicken Little'd their way through 4 straight seasons of elite basketball, including one ring, one Finals run, and one TBD.  Some of them claimed the season was over and we were doomed during the first half of Game 1 against NY.  Some have declared the game to be over and the C's guaranteed a loss in 5 of our 6 playoff game threads.  I have no doubt those trends will continue for as long as our run does.

Which is ultimately what makes the situation frustrating - while criticism of the team is completely reasonable and should be welcomed here, the constant complaining and Doomsdaying in the game threads has very little to do with how the team is actually playing, and everything to do with how some fans cope with stress.

I've enjoyed the game threads in the past and would like to do so again. But ultimately I don't know what can be done to fix the situation. There's no realistic or fair way of regulating this kind of stuff, and I wouldn't put it on the mods to enforce it if there was; they do enough around here as it is.  An ignore feature is distasteful but I'd embrace it at this point; I have no idea if that's feasible, though.  In the meantime, I suppose I'll live up to my login, and just pop around when we're winning, and leave the bad times to those who see them everywhere anyway.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: nickagneta on May 05, 2011, 12:28:06 PM
My two cents which channels my inner PLamb...

I used to love going to the game threads and there was seldom a time where I missed one for a period of about 2+ years on this blog. I had a ball. Yes, most of what I did was cheering for the Celtics, pointing out great plays by both teams playing, countering negative thought, and in general acting like I would if I was down the street at the local pub having a beer with the local crowd cheering the team on. I loved that feeling of camaraderie and made a lot of cyber-friends on this blog by visiting the threads.

But somewhere around the time KG got hurt in 2008-09 things changed in the  game threads. No longer were some people being critical but they had stepped over the line and become downright negative and hostile constantly spouting about the eventual demise of the team whether it was about a particular game, the season, a playoff series or as a whole. And they did it during the beginnings of games, at the half and during the end. They did it whether up big numbers, down big numbers or in a close game. it didn't matter it was always the same.

I put up with it for a while and then decided to try to start a separate game thread for people who wanted to just cheer on their team and not have to put up with the negativity. That was shot down. Those shouting the negative comments the loudest didn't like the idea and the mods and Jeff didn't want to give offense to FLCeltsFan for her work and thought a division of the blog into negatives and positives was a bad thing.

I see their points but in many ways the game threads have become what the Current Events forum was before Jeff shut it down. it's become mean, nasty, unenjoyable, and is driving people from the threads and the blog.

Now if I go to a bar and watch the game locally most people are going to be Celtics fans and most are going to cheer on the team. If however, there is a group that come to the bar that is constantly heckling the team out loud and causing people to not enjoy the game and hence not drink as much or not frequent the bar as much, the management of that bar is going to ask them to pipe the freak down or leave because it is costing him money.

I'm not talking about an occasional group of fans from the other team that comes in and cheers the opposing team on I'm talking about regulars that are just being caustic for the sake of being caustic. The bar owner or management isn't going to put up with those types of patrons that create a bad atmosphere and drive money and patrons away. they just won't.

Am I saying to throw those who are constantly being negative out of the game threads? Well, I guess I am but, no, that's not what I would want. But perhaps a new set of rules for the game threads should be put into place to make the environment better.

The emotional adrenaline during game threads is easily higher than at any other time when you are posting. Have some care to know that being excessively negative while others are emotionally invested in a game is probably not the best way to be within a group dynamic as it is going to cause problems. Set the rules to temper such things and let the populace in the game threads police themselves with the report to moderator buttons. If the mods get too many realistic complaints about a certain person for comments within the game threads, bar them from the threads. Temporarily at first but with a three strike rule.

Such rules have worked great within the Current Events area and that area, while still contentious, is much tamer than it was and has remained a forum in the blog even though many have been kicked out of the area.

Again, just my two cents.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: mgent on May 05, 2011, 03:03:18 PM


  Congts to the naysayers for holding off this long. Your self controls is impressive. Last year this issue cropped up much earlier.

Here is a good example of what not to do.

  I'm assuming you meant your post. I'm just adding a little levity to the situation without singling anyone out. I don't go to the game threads that often.



Fair enough.  But using a term like "naysayers" (or, say, "kool-aid drinkers") to dismissively categorize a group of posters is the sort of thing the people are talking about as a problem.

  I would disagree with this. "naysayer" is meant to group people based on their general (at this point in time) negative viewpoint. I guess I could have said detractors, would that have been better? "kool-aid drinkers" is a term that is meant to demean the opinion of people with a positive viewpoint.


yeah, but in the context of your post "naysayers" had a similarly demeaning and dismissive tone.  you may not have meant it that way, but that's the way it comes across.

it's not so much which word you chose to use, it's the fact that you implied that what those sorts of people post on the forum is not about what's actually happening on the court but is simply a result of who they are as people (e.g. that they require "self control" to keep from posting negative things about the team regardless of the circumstances).  that's similar but opposite to the connotation of "kool aid drinkers."
That's not the problem.  The problem is the "naysayers."  The "kool aid drinkers" as you call them, aren't the ones all in everybody's face with their opinion, and if they were it would likely add to whatever discussion rather than derail it.

It's the "naysayers" that call out the "kool aid drinkers."  You apparently have got it mixed up since you created in your mind that BballTim called you guys out, but at least you got it right by calling him out in return.

Put it this way, when the Celtics are playing well and you switch roles does anybody get mad at you for saying positive things about the Celtics on a pro-Celtics website?  Or do most of those people just find a Lakers site in order to get their dose of contradiction?
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: blackberry33 on May 05, 2011, 03:51:11 PM
What about all the negativity towards players and management? All it does is throw wood on the fire. It gets way out of control.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Greenbean on May 05, 2011, 03:57:26 PM
My two cents which channels my inner PLamb...

I used to love going to the game threads and there was seldom a time where I missed one for a period of about 2+ years on this blog. I had a ball. Yes, most of what I did was cheering for the Celtics, pointing out great plays by both teams playing, countering negative thought, and in general acting like I would if I was down the street at the local pub having a beer with the local crowd cheering the team on. I loved that feeling of camaraderie and made a lot of cyber-friends on this blog by visiting the threads.

But somewhere around the time KG got hurt in 2008-09 things changed in the  game threads. No longer were some people being critical but they had stepped over the line and become downright negative and hostile constantly spouting about the eventual demise of the team whether it was about a particular game, the season, a playoff series or as a whole. And they did it during the beginnings of games, at the half and during the end. They did it whether up big numbers, down big numbers or in a close game. it didn't matter it was always the same.

I put up with it for a while and then decided to try to start a separate game thread for people who wanted to just cheer on their team and not have to put up with the negativity. That was shot down. Those shouting the negative comments the loudest didn't like the idea and the mods and Jeff didn't want to give offense to FLCeltsFan for her work and thought a division of the blog into negatives and positives was a bad thing.

I see their points but in many ways the game threads have become what the Current Events forum was before Jeff shut it down. it's become mean, nasty, unenjoyable, and is driving people from the threads and the blog.

Now if I go to a bar and watch the game locally most people are going to be Celtics fans and most are going to cheer on the team. If however, there is a group that come to the bar that is constantly heckling the team out loud and causing people to not enjoy the game and hence not drink as much or not frequent the bar as much, the management of that bar is going to ask them to pipe the freak down or leave because it is costing him money.

I'm not talking about an occasional group of fans from the other team that comes in and cheers the opposing team on I'm talking about regulars that are just being caustic for the sake of being caustic. The bar owner or management isn't going to put up with those types of patrons that create a bad atmosphere and drive money and patrons away. they just won't.

Am I saying to throw those who are constantly being negative out of the game threads? Well, I guess I am but, no, that's not what I would want. But perhaps a new set of rules for the game threads should be put into place to make the environment better.

The emotional adrenaline during game threads is easily higher than at any other time when you are posting. Have some care to know that being excessively negative while others are emotionally invested in a game is probably not the best way to be within a group dynamic as it is going to cause problems. Set the rules to temper such things and let the populace in the game threads police themselves with the report to moderator buttons. If the mods get too many realistic complaints about a certain person for comments within the game threads, bar them from the threads. Temporarily at first but with a three strike rule.

Such rules have worked great within the Current Events area and that area, while still contentious, is much tamer than it was and has remained a forum in the blog even though many have been kicked out of the area.

Again, just my two cents.

I agree with alot of this. I still go on occasionally in the reg season but no way during the playoffs when I am so invested would I even click on the thread. I would get too angry and post things that I would regret.

Its too bad. The concept was really fun for a while.

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: indeedproceed on May 05, 2011, 03:59:51 PM
To everyone who is worried that they aren't cool enough for the cool kids' table, you probably aren't..but we'll take you anyways.

WAR ROOM (http://www.celticsblog.com/pages/celticsblog-live-chat)
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: celticinorlando on May 05, 2011, 04:39:38 PM
I think for a lot of us that don't live near Boston...or watch games with other boston fans....game threads are a way to watch games with other C fans. I certainly can't vent my worries...fears...happiness..joy...whatever to my wife during the games...

It is nice to see there are other fans obsessed with the Celtics to the point they post here for some sort of therapy or reassurance no matter how bad things get. I don't mind the positive posts even when all things look lost...i don't mind the negative posts when all things look good...or the ones that border on both.

Game threads are real time reaction posts...people post their feelings at as things are happening...good or bad...and i think that isn't such a bad thing
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: celts55 on May 05, 2011, 04:53:11 PM
Perhaps you could consider a game venting thread. Than people who like to spend the whole game complaining could go there and complain to eash other to their hearts content.
I mean you could certainly keep the rules about swaring and personal attacks in place, but let people vent there displeasure without bothering those who don't care for the negitivity.

I don't think I'm a negitive guy, but there are times when I find myself yelling at the TV. Why know give me a place to yell here?

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: nickagneta on May 05, 2011, 05:28:56 PM
I think for a lot of us that don't live near Boston...or watch games with other boston fans....game threads are a way to watch games with other C fans. I certainly can't vent my worries...fears...happiness..joy...whatever to my wife during the games...

It is nice to see there are other fans obsessed with the Celtics to the point they post here for some sort of therapy or reassurance no matter how bad things get. I don't mind the positive posts even when all things look lost...i don't mind the negative posts when all things look good...or the ones that border on both.

Game threads are real time reaction posts...people post their feelings at as things are happening...good or bad...and i think that isn't such a bad thing
Says the guy that told us no less than 7 times that Miami would win the series in 5 games before the end of the third quarter the other night and said

"tonight could be the night where it all ends for this team"

at the 7 minute mark of the 2nd quarter with the scored tied.

Come on cio!!!! Are you really enjoying the game threads by constantly telling the rest of us how bad the C's are, how good Miami is, how the C's will only win one game in the series, how horrible KG is playing and how horrible Baby is playing?

Go back and read your posts you made in the game thread and other game threads. They do not appear to be the quotes of a man who is enjoying himself or even attempting to fit in with a pro-Celtics crowd. If you were saying those things in a local Boston bar, constantly and out loud, management would cut you off and ask you to leave because you were ruining the atmosphere in their bar.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: celticinorlando on May 05, 2011, 05:44:00 PM
I think for a lot of us that don't live near Boston...or watch games with other boston fans....game threads are a way to watch games with other C fans. I certainly can't vent my worries...fears...happiness..joy...whatever to my wife during the games...

It is nice to see there are other fans obsessed with the Celtics to the point they post here for some sort of therapy or reassurance no matter how bad things get. I don't mind the positive posts even when all things look lost...i don't mind the negative posts when all things look good...or the ones that border on both.

Game threads are real time reaction posts...people post their feelings at as things are happening...good or bad...and i think that isn't such a bad thing
Says the guy that told us no less than 7 times that Miami would win the series in 5 games before the end of the third quarter the other night and said

"tonight could be the night where it all ends for this team"

at the 7 minute mark of the 2nd quarter with the scored tied.

Come on cio!!!! Are you really enjoying the game threads by constantly telling the rest of us how bad the C's are, how good Miami is, how the C's will only win one game in the series, how horrible KG is playing and how horrible Baby is playing?

Go back and read your posts you made in the game thread and other game threads. They do not appear to be the quotes of a man who is enjoying himself or even attempting to fit in with a pro-Celtics crowd. If you were saying those things in a local Boston bar, constantly and out loud, management would cut you off and ask you to leave because you were ruining the atmosphere in their bar.

just call them as I see them. When the Cs play poorly...I am not afraid to say it. When they play well..I point that also...I really could careless about fitting in.

And yes it is MY OPINION....I would hope that a blog would welcome the opinions of anyone...good, bad or neutral...

If you think it is me ruining the "atmosphere" then I will not come around anymore...but sorry if I can't be roses and unicorns when they look bad.

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy H. on May 05, 2011, 05:45:19 PM
Please don't call each other out in this thread.  There's room for people to express different opinions, without this turning into (yet another) positive vs. negative thread.

Rather than venting frustration toward each other, this would be much more productive if people could 1) identify their issues, and 2) offer some ideas.  There's been some good stuff in that regard; there's no need to inflame that by casting blame.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Chief on May 05, 2011, 05:53:40 PM
I think for a lot of us that don't live near Boston...or watch games with other boston fans....game threads are a way to watch games with other C fans. I certainly can't vent my worries...fears...happiness..joy...whatever to my wife during the games...

It is nice to see there are other fans obsessed with the Celtics to the point they post here for some sort of therapy or reassurance no matter how bad things get. I don't mind the positive posts even when all things look lost...i don't mind the negative posts when all things look good...or the ones that border on both.

Game threads are real time reaction posts...people post their feelings at as things are happening...good or bad...and i think that isn't such a bad thing

TP. This is how I feel too.


***I posted this before I finished reading the next few posts. And I still agree with you. I've never felt like you were trolling. You just say what is on the mind. I thought that is what the game thread was for. IMO, I would love for you to stay around. Same with Nick. Both of you bring a lot to the game threads although in different ways. Like I said earlier, fans are all different. The one thing we all have in common though, is that we sacrifice our time for the greatest basketball team ever. The Boston Celtics.*** :)
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: dark_lord on May 05, 2011, 05:55:02 PM
in all honesty, i think the game threads are a reflection of the entire blog lately.  there is a lot of nastiness, labeling, sensitivity, and glaringly to me....nit-picking.

i used to post here A LOT!  i got emotionally attached to the blog, its people, my interactions, and the discussions.  by becoming attached, i found i was actually enjoying myself less due to being sucked into negativity.  things have changed since then (about a year ago).

now, i look at this place as a blog, pure and simple.  not a community, just a blog.  by doing so, it is more enjoyable bc im detached from it, while still being engaged in any topic or discussion i choose to be a part of.

my advise...loosen up, reflect, put things in perspective....its not a community, its a blog.  it might not work for everyone, but it has worked for me.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: nickagneta on May 05, 2011, 06:23:20 PM
I think for a lot of us that don't live near Boston...or watch games with other boston fans....game threads are a way to watch games with other C fans. I certainly can't vent my worries...fears...happiness..joy...whatever to my wife during the games...

It is nice to see there are other fans obsessed with the Celtics to the point they post here for some sort of therapy or reassurance no matter how bad things get. I don't mind the positive posts even when all things look lost...i don't mind the negative posts when all things look good...or the ones that border on both.

Game threads are real time reaction posts...people post their feelings at as things are happening...good or bad...and i think that isn't such a bad thing
Says the guy that told us no less than 7 times that Miami would win the series in 5 games before the end of the third quarter the other night and said

"tonight could be the night where it all ends for this team"

at the 7 minute mark of the 2nd quarter with the scored tied.

Come on cio!!!! Are you really enjoying the game threads by constantly telling the rest of us how bad the C's are, how good Miami is, how the C's will only win one game in the series, how horrible KG is playing and how horrible Baby is playing?

Go back and read your posts you made in the game thread and other game threads. They do not appear to be the quotes of a man who is enjoying himself or even attempting to fit in with a pro-Celtics crowd. If you were saying those things in a local Boston bar, constantly and out loud, management would cut you off and ask you to leave because you were ruining the atmosphere in their bar.

just call them as I see them. When the Cs play poorly...I am not afraid to say it. When they play well..I point that also...I really could careless about fitting in.

And yes it is MY OPINION....I would hope that a blog would welcome the opinions of anyone...good, bad or neutral...

If you think it is me ruining the "atmosphere" then I will not come around anymore...but sorry if I can't be roses and unicorns when they look bad.


Sorry for calling you out cio, Roy's right, I shouldn't have done it. My bad I hope you accept my apology.

But I have to ask a serious question that I brought up. Answer me honestly, please.

Do you enjoy yourself in the threads by being.....not so positive?

I mean, I know most of us who watch the game and visit the threads, probably all of us, who root for the team and only occasionally call them out for poor play, enjoy the heck out of ourselves acting the way we do in the game threads.

Do you really enjoy yourself by expressing your love of the Celtics the way you do because if I had that outlook in life and reacted like that to everything I experience, I can't help but think I would be absolutely miserable.

I am not trying to be mean or an ass or pass judgment here I simply am looking to educate myself so please don't take this the wrong way.

Others that have cio's outlook, I would pose the same question to you as well. Do you enjoy yourself in the game threads expressing yourself the way you do?

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: mgent on May 05, 2011, 07:44:51 PM
I think the true question to those with the Celtics-will-lose-every-game attitude is, "Does sleeping better at night after a loss really cancel out the empty feeling after a win (or the hypocritical excitement)?"
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: bigdaz68 on May 05, 2011, 09:29:27 PM
Being a Celtics fan based in Australia I rarely get to watch games live as they are usually on during working hours. Following a play by play usually doesn't give the full picture of a game and therefore I read the game blog to gauge the comments of fellow supporters. I fully agree that it has become increasingly frustrating to follow what is actually happening on the court with all the "we are gone" comments in the first quarter of games and so on. I used to rely on descriptions of what is actually happening on the court from you guys but now I have a lot more faith in following the play by play because it does actually tell me a lot more! If it wasn't for that I would be led to believe that we are always behind by double digits at any point in the game and will never win again!

Surprise, surprise when the C's do actually have a comfortable lead and are playing well these same people go entirely missing from the blog as if incapable of showering any kind of praise on the team. Mind boggling attitudes?

Thank god for posters such as Dirk who ironically enough is also currently based in Australia. While we don't need over the top cheer leaders his positive attitude and attempts to paint a picture of what is actually happening are refreshing.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: birdwatcher on May 05, 2011, 10:15:45 PM
Someone suggested a couple pages back that we have an "ignore" filter. IMO, everyone would get to be in the thread, say whatever the heck they want and if I get tired of seeing it I could filter it out. And vice versa. This way, the people that enjoy seeing both sides of the discussion can continue to, and those who get riled up by particular members' posts can simply weed them out.

I'm sure may people would tune me out. There are definitely a handful of people who I would like to filter out when the same old rhetoric is being spewed from the jump to the final buzzer. I think this would eliminate some of the chippyness, it may help to prevent members from calling one another out, and would encourage people to come back to the threads and actually participate--there's always a ton of lurkers--and participation is what would make these threads & this blog great again.

It's very difficult to enter the thread and see the extremes of positive & negative commments and not react to them. I either try to clam up, get sucked in, or simply leave the thread. On nights we're not playing well I usually don't even bother because I know I'm going to get p---ed off. And without calling anyone out--it's always the same people. ALWAYS.

Please guys-give us a filter.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on May 05, 2011, 10:41:31 PM
I have been following the replies with great interest, and I appreciate all who have shown their concerns and shared their perspectives.  Perhaps now I have a small suggestion to make.

Many are leery of tightening down the rules, and I'm one of those.  And if there were an Ignore button I wonder if I'd wind up posting to myself.  ::)  Yes, there are a couple of posters I would choose to ignore probably, but it would certainly be confusing trying to follow give and take when you can only "see" some of the posters.

My suggestion is a clear mission statement for the game thread.  Post it periodically.  Is it just another place to jaw about a trade or management?  I hope not.  I have always thought that the focus was intended to be the game at hand, trends affecting the game at hand, our reactions to the play (and officiating) and relevant analysis.  In my view, the rest is really just off-topic.  A mission statement isn't necessarily enforceable, but it helps define what is off topic and perhaps can help dissuade some who believe that the game thread is just like a chat and behave accordingly.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: ballin on May 05, 2011, 10:57:32 PM
I'm glad I peeked into this thread... it's sort of made me realize I've been pretty negative ever since the trade, and regardless of how I feel about the trade, I shouldn't let it dampen my enthusiasm for the team.

While I'll still happily blast away at Ainge and BBD in the appropriate threads, I think I'm gonna try to have a more positive tilt in the game threads (I haven't been SUPER negative in those, but I haven't been exuberant either).

After all, as of now the C's are still in this and still have a shot. There's nothing to lose form being overly optimistic at this point.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Kiorrik on May 06, 2011, 12:07:04 AM
Being a Celtics fan based in Australia I rarely get to watch games live as they are usually on during working hours. Following a play by play usually doesn't give the full picture of a game and therefore I read the game blog to gauge the comments of fellow supporters. I fully agree that it has become increasingly frustrating to follow what is actually happening on the court with all the "we are gone" comments in the first quarter of games and so on. I used to rely on descriptions of what is actually happening on the court from you guys but now I have a lot more faith in following the play by play because it does actually tell me a lot more! If it wasn't for that I would be led to believe that we are always behind by double digits at any point in the game and will never win again!

Surprise, surprise when the C's do actually have a comfortable lead and are playing well these same people go entirely missing from the blog as if incapable of showering any kind of praise on the team. Mind boggling attitudes?

Thank god for posters such as Dirk who ironically enough is also currently based in Australia. While we don't need over the top cheer leaders his positive attitude and attempts to paint a picture of what is actually happening are refreshing.
:D Cheers!

Do I know you? :p
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: bigdaz68 on May 06, 2011, 02:30:11 AM
Being a Celtics fan based in Australia I rarely get to watch games live as they are usually on during working hours. Following a play by play usually doesn't give the full picture of a game and therefore I read the game blog to gauge the comments of fellow supporters. I fully agree that it has become increasingly frustrating to follow what is actually happening on the court with all the "we are gone" comments in the first quarter of games and so on. I used to rely on descriptions of what is actually happening on the court from you guys but now I have a lot more faith in following the play by play because it does actually tell me a lot more! If it wasn't for that I would be led to believe that we are always behind by double digits at any point in the game and will never win again!

Surprise, surprise when the C's do actually have a comfortable lead and are playing well these same people go entirely missing from the blog as if incapable of showering any kind of praise on the team. Mind boggling attitudes?

Thank god for posters such as Dirk who ironically enough is also currently based in Australia. While we don't need over the top cheer leaders his positive attitude and attempts to paint a picture of what is actually happening are refreshing.
:D Cheers!

Do I know you? :p

Nah mate no nepotism going on here!! I'm in Melbourne, I think you're in Sydney aren't you?
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Casperian on May 06, 2011, 03:30:23 AM
My simple solution, and I know this goes against the spirit of Celticsblog, is an "ignore list". Itīs what you do in real life with people you canīt stand, donīt care about their opinion or tell you "the end is near" to avoid constant debates, in-fighting or bad mood.

Ignore lists are not perfect, because they lead some people to ignore anyone who is of opposite opinion, and the exchange of different opinions is what makes the blog great. They also invite some people to show other posters a lack of respect, by telling them they are on their respective lists (which could be circumvented by an additional rule). Still, they would dramatically decrease the amount of in-fighting in game threads.

I have thought about my first post, and Iīd like to add that while a traditional ignore list would help with the game threads, theyīre not necessarily helpful for the blog as a whole. As annoying as the negative posters in the game thread are, theyīre still Celtic fans and I do enjoy their posts in regular threads.

I donīt know if itīs technically possible, but the best solution would be some kind of "cool down" button, to put people on a temporary ignore list. Hit the button, and you ignore the poster for three hours. Itīs basically not an ignore list, but a "Donīt talk to me until you calm down" list.

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Thruthelookingglass on May 06, 2011, 06:47:58 AM
in all honesty, i think the game threads are a reflection of the entire blog lately.  there is a lot of nastiness, labeling, sensitivity, and glaringly to me....nit-picking.

i used to post here A LOT!  i got emotionally attached to the blog, its people, my interactions, and the discussions.  by becoming attached, i found i was actually enjoying myself less due to being sucked into negativity.  things have changed since then (about a year ago).

now, i look at this place as a blog, pure and simple.  not a community, just a blog.  by doing so, it is more enjoyable bc im detached from it, while still being engaged in any topic or discussion i choose to be a part of.

my advise...loosen up, reflect, put things in perspective....its not a community, its a blog.  it might not work for everyone, but it has worked for me.

You know, you are right.  It's funny, I don't remember this much handwringing on CBlog when we went through our record 18-game losing streak (I was a lurker back then).  Maybe in those days everyone was so focused on looking for glimmers of hope!

It's great to cheer for a contender again, but I think people have really raised their standards.  Rooting for today's Celtics beats the heck out of hoping Mark Blount, Raef LaFrentz or Ricky Davis is gonna help us win a few games moral victories.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy H. on May 06, 2011, 07:21:37 AM

You know, you are right.  It's funny, I don't remember this much handwringing on CBlog when we went through our record 18-game losing streak (I was a lurker back then).  Maybe in those days everyone was so focused on looking for glimmers of hope!

It's great to cheer for a contender again, but I think people have really raised their standards.  Rooting for today's Celtics beats the heck out of hoping Mark Blount, Raef LaFrentz or Ricky Davis is gonna help us win a few games moral victories.

I think most of it comes to expectations.  With that '07 team, the expectations were zero (and in fact, a lot of fans were rooting for the team to lose).  Therefore, there was a lot less of a divide between fans.  There was obviously some venting, but not much; it's hard to get *too* emotionally invested in wins and losses when you're a bad team.

With the post-KG Celtics, though, it's different.  In 2008, there wasn't a ton of venting, because the team was winning.  In the Atlanta series there was some hand-wringing, but overall, fans were just excited to be contending again.

In 2009, the team played its heart out, even without KG.  Again, it came down to expectations.  Fans didn't have high hopes, and since the team was playing with a ton of effort, there was less to gripe about.  Plus, wins and losses wise, we did very well.

Last year, though, things changed.  The team started to lose, and lose often.  The effort wasn't there.  The Celtics started to lose games they should win, and frequently.  That's where the frustration of expectations first came out very strongly.  When you see a team losing for reasons outside of your control, and you feel the team *shouldn't* be losing, you vent.  Unfortunately, that venting is often at the team, and it causes fans to lose hope.

This year was more of the same.  At the beginning of the year, when the team was stomping opponents, the game threads were largely positive.  There was a bit of hesitation while people worried about whether the team would revert back to last year's form, but all and all, neither the game threads nor the blog as a whole were unpleasant.  Some of the posters that would get the label "very negative" were in fact present and cheering the team on.

Then, the trade happened.  Not only was this a divisive moment, but it coincided with a downturn in winning and losing.  Once again, there was a frustration of expectations, as fans saw there team which was clearly the #1 team in the East begin to drop games that it "should" be winning.  A lot of fans became even more frustrated in 2010, because they believed that it was management, and not the team, that led to the results.  Naturally, that leads to increased venting. 

There are really only two things that are going to end the venting in the game threads, I think:  either the team starts winning again, or something causes fans to lower their expectations. 
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 06, 2011, 07:36:37 AM
in all honesty, i think the game threads are a reflection of the entire blog lately.  there is a lot of nastiness, labeling, sensitivity, and glaringly to me....nit-picking.

i used to post here A LOT!  i got emotionally attached to the blog, its people, my interactions, and the discussions.  by becoming attached, i found i was actually enjoying myself less due to being sucked into negativity.  things have changed since then (about a year ago).

now, i look at this place as a blog, pure and simple.  not a community, just a blog.  by doing so, it is more enjoyable bc im detached from it, while still being engaged in any topic or discussion i choose to be a part of.

my advise...loosen up, reflect, put things in perspective....its not a community, its a blog.  it might not work for everyone, but it has worked for me.

You know, you are right.  It's funny, I don't remember this much handwringing on CBlog when we went through our record 18-game losing streak (I was a lurker back then).  Maybe in those days everyone was so focused on looking for glimmers of hope!

It's great to cheer for a contender again, but I think people have really raised their standards.  Rooting for today's Celtics beats the heck out of hoping Mark Blount, Raef LaFrentz or Ricky Davis is gonna help us win a few games moral victories.

Part of me wants us to start going down the tubes again just so i can afford to go to the games again.  Its getting rediculous over there.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Who on May 06, 2011, 09:07:01 AM
My simple solution, and I know this goes against the spirit of Celticsblog, is an "ignore list". Itīs what you do in real life with people you canīt stand, donīt care about their opinion or tell you "the end is near" to avoid constant debates, in-fighting or bad mood.

Ignore lists are not perfect, because they lead some people to ignore anyone who is of opposite opinion, and the exchange of different opinions is what makes the blog great. They also invite some people to show other posters a lack of respect, by telling them they are on their respective lists (which could be circumvented by an additional rule). Still, they would dramatically decrease the amount of in-fighting in game threads.

I have thought about my first post, and Iīd like to add that while a traditional ignore list would help with the game threads, theyīre not necessarily helpful for the blog as a whole. As annoying as the negative posters in the game thread are, theyīre still Celtic fans and I do enjoy their posts in regular threads.

I donīt know if itīs technically possible, but the best solution would be some kind of "cool down" button, to put people on a temporary ignore list. Hit the button, and you ignore the poster for three hours. Itīs basically not an ignore list, but a "Donīt talk to me until you calm down" list.

Or an ignore list for game threads alone. Not the rest of the forum.

No idea whether that is possible either.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy H. on May 06, 2011, 11:20:05 AM
I would support the idea of a temporary, board-specific "ignore" button.  Unfortunately, I'm not aware of any software that has that sort of capability.

For some of the reasons mentioned above, we don't like the ignore option community wide.  The staff just doesn't like how that feature would impact the sense of community, and rather than make communications more civil, places with an ignore button often become more hostile (and require more staff involvement).

In terms of rules, we do have the authority to restrict people from game threads, and have a rule about people who are ruining others' enjoyment of the blog.  However, we're very hesitant to use that rule, if only because we're all Celtics fans and everybody is hoping for a victory at the end of the night.  There have been people here who I genuinely believed were rooting against the Celtics, and who crossed a line in their interactions.  Those people are no longer posting here.  Among those who are "regulars" in the game threads currently, I think people just have a different way of coping with losses.

I don't know, should there be a rule about declaring "this game is over" before it is?  That's probably the type of statement that irritates fellow fans the most.  At the same time, that doesn't seem like it would be a very practical rule, as there are a lot of times where people momentarily lose hope legitimately, but don't come close to the line of trolling or baiting.

Hopefully this all resolves itself by the Celtics playing better.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Rondo2287 on May 06, 2011, 11:38:08 AM
I don't know about the, "this game is over" rule.  I don't participate in the game threads too often, mostly because i can't sit still during the games, I am often jumping about and down.  But there are times where i find myself having to go into another room or changing the channel because i get frustrated with the game.  I think that those comments are most of the time just people venting their frustrations.  But others that participate more often probably know better than I
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: crownsy on May 06, 2011, 12:27:34 PM
in all honesty, i think the game threads are a reflection of the entire blog lately.  there is a lot of nastiness, labeling, sensitivity, and glaringly to me....nit-picking.

i used to post here A LOT!  i got emotionally attached to the blog, its people, my interactions, and the discussions.  by becoming attached, i found i was actually enjoying myself less due to being sucked into negativity.  things have changed since then (about a year ago).

now, i look at this place as a blog, pure and simple.  not a community, just a blog.  by doing so, it is more enjoyable bc im detached from it, while still being engaged in any topic or discussion i choose to be a part of.

my advise...loosen up, reflect, put things in perspective....its not a community, its a blog.  it might not work for everyone, but it has worked for me.

Tp man, that's why my posts have gone way down too :(

It's no ones fault, i just think the tone and personality of this blog has changed and for me personal, it's not as engaging anymore.

It used to be a place you could have a pretty objective conversation with people, now it's all "your either with me or a moron" (with a few exceptions of course) and back biting skirting the COC, and the game threads, which i used to love, are the worst of it.

Again, just a personal opinion

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: birdwatcher on May 06, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
I can understand the hesitance around implementing an ignore button, but I would be all for it if it wasn't a permanent fixture. In the boston.com chat room from many years ago, even though it was a real time chat, you did have an ignore option that would reset every time you logged out. So when trolls like "JasonKiddFan"(remember him?) would pop in to antagonize us, some of us would block him. The next time you logged in though, he could appear again until you repeated the process. The point is, I'd be all for it if it wasn't an all or nothing situation--if you just aren't in the mood to deal with the tone of an individual and can't look past the posts--you could block him. The next time you log in you can make that decision again. Facebook's hide option is similar, although you have to physically "unhide" someone to start seeing their posts in your newsfeed-that would be the extreme of what I think would be appropriate for this blog. As far as instituting more rules, it's almost worse to silence what someone wants to say vs giving people an option not to read it. Right now the only option is: deal with it or don't enter the threads...
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: StartOrien on May 06, 2011, 06:02:12 PM
Is it me or is there not enough outlets for me to voice my displeasure about not being able to say whatever I want on Celticsblog when I want?

It's like "Hey guys, let's start talking about the issues with some real-talk" ya know?
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: j804 on May 06, 2011, 06:33:31 PM
People have got to grow thicker skin sheesh

smh
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Kiorrik on May 06, 2011, 07:34:43 PM
Being a Celtics fan based in Australia I rarely get to watch games live as they are usually on during working hours. Following a play by play usually doesn't give the full picture of a game and therefore I read the game blog to gauge the comments of fellow supporters. I fully agree that it has become increasingly frustrating to follow what is actually happening on the court with all the "we are gone" comments in the first quarter of games and so on. I used to rely on descriptions of what is actually happening on the court from you guys but now I have a lot more faith in following the play by play because it does actually tell me a lot more! If it wasn't for that I would be led to believe that we are always behind by double digits at any point in the game and will never win again!

Surprise, surprise when the C's do actually have a comfortable lead and are playing well these same people go entirely missing from the blog as if incapable of showering any kind of praise on the team. Mind boggling attitudes?

Thank god for posters such as Dirk who ironically enough is also currently based in Australia. While we don't need over the top cheer leaders his positive attitude and attempts to paint a picture of what is actually happening are refreshing.
:D Cheers!

Do I know you? :p

Nah mate no nepotism going on here!! I'm in Melbourne, I think you're in Sydney aren't you?

Sydney indeed. Shame, could've had lunch at a pub together, to watch one of our games some time, had we lived closer ;)

Cheers,
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: tenn_smoothie on May 06, 2011, 07:55:54 PM
i think the uncivil atmosphere you speak of has coincided with one of the most frustrating seasons in Celtics history, for some very specific reasons:

1) the Celtics are the proudest franchise in the league. we have had to endure a 20-year title drought that was brought on by one unbelievably tortuous twist of fate after another. adding insult to injury, us Celtic fans have had to endure watching the Bulls, Spurs and Lakers win multiple titles in our absence.

2) the arrival of Kevin Garnett and the immediate effect that he had on the team was like a warm balm that brought healing to our collective wounds. the team magically became the Celtics again, caring about winning above all else, playing the fiercest team defense seen by the NBA in many years and most of all, playing together as a team, beautifully. the championship that followed was like a miracle. only one year previous, banner #17 seemed as far away as it ever had, and now, the championship trophy was back where it had always belonged - in Boston.

3) the frustration and pain that would follow the euphoria and satisfaction of the championship started with the summer-long holdout and subsequent loss of james posey. we still haven't replaced the guy. still, the Celts started the next season fast - very fast. but the christmas day loss in LA was soon followed by the injury to Garnett that ultimately derailed the title defense. the loss of Leon Powe  - another beloved member of the title team was followed the next season by the trade of Eddie House.

4) then came the amazing playoff run that saw the Celts simply dismantle the two best records from the regular season. winning at cleveland and orlando almost looked easy. then, of course, came the hated Lakers, the amazing wins in games 4 & 5 at home, followed by game 6 & Perk blowing out his knee after getting hammered off the top rope by Bynum. then, of course, came game 7, which for me, a Celtics fan of 40+ years, is now the most painful loss in our history

5) this season felt like a re-birth of the 2008 championship group, but with the addition of a togetherness forged out of everything they had been thru - four seasons together, the title, the loss to orlando, the injuries, and most of all, the unity that resulted from the aforementioned game 7 in last year's finals. the team was playing their lights-out defense again, KG looked like his old self, Ray Ray and Paul were playing great and Rondo was knocking the top out of every assist record he could find. most of all, the Celts had a shared motivation that you rarely see in professional sports. they didn't just want to win the title this year, they NEEDED to.

6) and then the trade that took it all away. the playoffs were going to be our revenge and redemption. this team had become a special group for so many of us. they cared about each other in a way not usually seen in pro sports. i mantain to this day that the Celtics simply have not been the same team since Perk left. watching them struggle the last two months of the season, seeing them get bullied by other teams they use to bully, like Chicago and Miami. they have lost their identity and their confidence. no amount of "playing hard" can bring that back.

and that Roy, in brief, is why i think you are seeing the extreme anger and confrontation that you spoke about above, within the Celtic family. at this point, it's just a little too much to take and the thought of the Lakers pulling even with us or the Bulls or OKC (with Perk), or God Forbid the Heat, starting a run of titles is just more pain than i can handle.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: j804 on May 09, 2011, 04:37:38 PM
Were one of the last 6-7 teams standing it's all or nothing

Lets officially turn this series around the Garden will be rockin
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Roy H. on May 09, 2011, 05:11:30 PM
Let's just have a repeat of Game 3, both on the court and in the game thread.  If we do, there will be a lot of happy folks around CB.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: Surferdad on May 23, 2012, 08:23:54 PM
Couple breakdown but basically the C's are playing good defense. Bass missing shots he made last game.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: CelticConcourse on March 13, 2013, 09:12:25 PM
What a play Avery

Hook em

Wrong thread
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: aporel#18 on April 26, 2013, 08:29:56 PM
wrong thread... sorry
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: RMO on March 23, 2019, 08:21:36 PM
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Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: IDreamCeltics on March 23, 2019, 08:34:42 PM
i think the uncivil atmosphere you speak of has coincided with one of the most frustrating seasons in Celtics history, for some very specific reasons:

1) the Celtics are the proudest franchise in the league. we have had to endure a 20-year title drought that was brought on by one unbelievably tortuous twist of fate after another. adding insult to injury, us Celtic fans have had to endure watching the Bulls, Spurs and Lakers win multiple titles in our absence.

2) the arrival of Kevin Garnett and the immediate effect that he had on the team was like a warm balm that brought healing to our collective wounds. the team magically became the Celtics again, caring about winning above all else, playing the fiercest team defense seen by the NBA in many years and most of all, playing together as a team, beautifully. the championship that followed was like a miracle. only one year previous, banner #17 seemed as far away as it ever had, and now, the championship trophy was back where it had always belonged - in Boston.

3) the frustration and pain that would follow the euphoria and satisfaction of the championship started with the summer-long holdout and subsequent loss of james posey. we still haven't replaced the guy. still, the Celts started the next season fast - very fast. but the christmas day loss in LA was soon followed by the injury to Garnett that ultimately derailed the title defense. the loss of Leon Powe  - another beloved member of the title team was followed the next season by the trade of Eddie House.

4) then came the amazing playoff run that saw the Celts simply dismantle the two best records from the regular season. winning at cleveland and orlando almost looked easy. then, of course, came the hated Lakers, the amazing wins in games 4 & 5 at home, followed by game 6 & Perk blowing out his knee after getting hammered off the top rope by Bynum. then, of course, came game 7, which for me, a Celtics fan of 40+ years, is now the most painful loss in our history

5) this season felt like a re-birth of the 2008 championship group, but with the addition of a togetherness forged out of everything they had been thru - four seasons together, the title, the loss to orlando, the injuries, and most of all, the unity that resulted from the aforementioned game 7 in last year's finals. the team was playing their lights-out defense again, KG looked like his old self, Ray Ray and Paul were playing great and Rondo was knocking the top out of every assist record he could find. most of all, the Celts had a shared motivation that you rarely see in professional sports. they didn't just want to win the title this year, they NEEDED to.

6) and then the trade that took it all away. the playoffs were going to be our revenge and redemption. this team had become a special group for so many of us. they cared about each other in a way not usually seen in pro sports. i mantain to this day that the Celtics simply have not been the same team since Perk left. watching them struggle the last two months of the season, seeing them get bullied by other teams they use to bully, like Chicago and Miami. they have lost their identity and their confidence. no amount of "playing hard" can bring that back.

and that Roy, in brief, is why i think you are seeing the extreme anger and confrontation that you spoke about above, within the Celtic family. at this point, it's just a little too much to take and the thought of the Lakers pulling even with us or the Bulls or OKC (with Perk), or God Forbid the Heat, starting a run of titles is just more pain than i can handle.


slow clap
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: BringToughnessBack on March 23, 2019, 09:48:20 PM
Well, I know have I practically stopped posting all together. This is my choice and my displeasure with trolls stirring the pot during times of chaos for our team. It is one thing to make constructive posts about things they are unhappy with, it is an entirely other thing to belittle and throw oil on a fire when wounds are open. This to me is not what this commmunity was built on and it is eerlily simliar too, and a mirror reflection of what we see on news sites as well. Blatant disregard for caring and more of an open outlet to lash out and throw pointed daggars towards someone not you.

Sonsosamhorn is a community of Sox fans but to get to the point of posting in certain areas, you need to earn it. You cannot simply show up and start posting in game threads or posting in main areas. Respect is earned and then you are rewarded with full membership. It is apparent anyone can post here without a trial period. It is also apparent to me that certain trolls are allowed in as well. Oil on fire is there goal and they do it well.

Ignore button is a personal thing. If I choose not to see anothers point of view, why not give me that right to block them. I can then do my own trial for new people and if I find them respectful no matter their view,, I will allow it. If I find them out for blood during painful times for fans, I would like to block them.

My time is as close to up as ever here...I am but one person, but I am not going to continue to be a part of a site where vicious behavior is allowed without some sort of blocking or removal. We have truly lost our way in this site and it is sadly mirroring what is going on in our world today.
Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: nickagneta on March 23, 2019, 10:15:00 PM
Well, I know have I practically stopped posting all together. This is my choice and my displeasure with trolls stirring the pot during times of chaos for our team. It is one thing to make constructive posts about things they are unhappy with, it is an entirely other thing to belittle and throw oil on a fire when wounds are open. This to me is not what this commmunity was built on and it is eerlily simliar too, and a mirror reflection of what we see on news sites as well. Blatant disregard for caring and more of an open outlet to lash out and throw pointed daggars towards someone not you.

Sonsosamhorn is a community of Sox fans but to get to the point of posting in certain areas, you need to earn it. You cannot simply show up and start posting in game threads or posting in main areas. Respect is earned and then you are rewarded with full membership. It is apparent anyone can post here without a trial period. It is also apparent to me that certain trolls are allowed in as well. Oil on fire is there goal and they do it well.

Ignore button is a personal thing. If I choose not to see anothers point of view, why not give me that right to block them. I can then do my own trial for new people and if I find them respectful no matter their view,, I will allow it. If I find them out for blood during painful times for fans, I would like to block them.

My time is as close to up as ever here...I am but one person, but I am not going to continue to be a part of a site where vicious behavior is allowed without some sort of blocking or removal. We have truly lost our way in this site and it is sadly mirroring what is going on in our world today.
The recent behavior you are discussing is not a new thing. Look at the post preceding your post. The poster is quoting a quote from 8 years ago.

The games threads were just awful to be in going as far back as the 2010 season. The negativity was vicious. The pure malice subsided while the team rebuilt but the negativity was still there. I think the unmet expectations of this year have made the game threads a tough place again.

I will say the staff does try like heck to keep things civil across the board. There are not a lot of us and there are a LOT of posts. We try.

Title: Re: Conduct In The Game Threads Forum
Post by: RPGenerate on March 23, 2019, 10:21:09 PM
Well, I know have I practically stopped posting all together. This is my choice and my displeasure with trolls stirring the pot during times of chaos for our team. It is one thing to make constructive posts about things they are unhappy with, it is an entirely other thing to belittle and throw oil on a fire when wounds are open. This to me is not what this commmunity was built on and it is eerlily simliar too, and a mirror reflection of what we see on news sites as well. Blatant disregard for caring and more of an open outlet to lash out and throw pointed daggars towards someone not you.

Sonsosamhorn is a community of Sox fans but to get to the point of posting in certain areas, you need to earn it. You cannot simply show up and start posting in game threads or posting in main areas. Respect is earned and then you are rewarded with full membership. It is apparent anyone can post here without a trial period. It is also apparent to me that certain trolls are allowed in as well. Oil on fire is there goal and they do it well.

Ignore button is a personal thing. If I choose not to see anothers point of view, why not give me that right to block them. I can then do my own trial for new people and if I find them respectful no matter their view,, I will allow it. If I find them out for blood during painful times for fans, I would like to block them.

My time is as close to up as ever here...I am but one person, but I am not going to continue to be a part of a site where vicious behavior is allowed without some sort of blocking or removal. We have truly lost our way in this site and it is sadly mirroring what is going on in our world today.
The recent behavior you are discussing is not a new thing. Look at the post preceding your post. The poster is quoting a quote from 8 years ago.

The games threads were just awful to be in going as far back as the 2010 season. The negativity was vicious. The pure malice subsided while the team rebuilt but the negativity was still there. I think the unmet expectations of this year have made the game threads a tough place again.

I will say the staff does try like heck to keep things civil across the board. There are not a lot of us and there are a LOT of posts. We try.
I, for one, certainly don't envy the jobs you mods have. I just think sports as a hobby will always be toxic in a sense, especially on blogs like this. Lots of people use sports as a way to relieve stress and lash out in ways that they can't in any other area of life. As a side note, I really think an ignore button would be a good solution to a lot of people's problem. Some people simply don't enjoy the barrage of negativity some individual poster show here.